Will This Be on the Test? Transcripts
Hi everybody and welcome to well be Yeah, that's not what the show is called
with a dig. Yeah, yeah, this is Will This Be On the Test? I'm Austin.
I'm Mattie. And this is the first time you've gotten to introduce yourself first.
I know. Let's just restart we had a bad start.
I think we need to leave this in.
I do the editing now. I can do whatever I want.
How are you going to edit this out if I refuse to restart the podcast?
Well, as we record the world apparently is ending and
yeah, this has been a wild like week. It's like I remember back on Wednesday, when our biggest complaint was, uh, we might have to go by, we might have to go downtown while they're having the NC double A like a new game and there'll be a ton of people. It'll be awful. That was our big worry on Wednesday.
Yeah. And as of Wednesday, you know, we still had tickets to the sporting KC game and a couple of weeks we still had tickets to Welcome to Night Vale may 21. Oh, yeah. I was So excited. I don't blame them or anybody else for closing, I'm working from home officially for the next several weeks. My work mandated that anybody who could work from home does so and I'm not sure there's anybody in my office who can't work from home. So we're setting we set me up in the spare bedroom because even though we actually are recording from a home office, we realized we can't fit two monitors on my desk. My desk is actually a drafting table. So maybe we should move the drafting table down there and get me a real desk maybe
or and I was thinking I could just clean off my desk and just use mine. For the time being, we can just move stuff around, I could share a table with the snake you could share a table with the snake I'm sure she'd love to help you work or she'd love
to be like, can I escape while I'm being watched? This is my greatest challenge. Yeah.
Where I work is being close to the public for two weeks, but we're still coming in, but I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing.
Austin went to the grocery store the other day and he went to Costco earlier this week because we legitimately needed stuff that you get at Costco. Yeah. Because he was like panic buying, we ran out of cat food and we have four cats.
Yeah, I just went to Costco to get cat food. It was like the day before like everything closed and there was mass panic in the streets and chaos Costco was called, there was no toilet paper. And I'm thinking I was the only person who didn't have like the maximum amount of water you were allowed to buy
up. Apparently, people were fighting about how much water they were allowed. What do people think is gonna happen to the water? I don't know. Cuz I mean, it's gonna take a lot for water
to shut down.
And we've talked previously about waterborne illnesses on this show and how you basically need to be drinking and bathing in the same water that is used for removal of waste and downstream from that and that's not how water filtration works.
Yeah, so it's the water is gonna be pretty much fine.
Um, if you're in a place where the water is currently fine Anyway, there's you're in a place where there's lead poisoning for everybody. Sorry, things things won't get worse because of this. Most likely. Yeah, then
I went to the grocery store because I had to pick up steak food too. And this was after everything closed down. There weren't grocery carts left every canned food dry pasta. It was. It was like there was a forecast for a blizzard. But more so
yeah, but we did go to the liquor store last night because I knew I would need some wine. And they were still pretty empty and they were completely well stocked and everyone there was calm. So if you are looking for liquor, you're probably in a good place. And remember, a lot of alcohol doubles as a cleaning solution. Yeah, not a virus killing one. But you can get rid of some bacteria.
Yeah. And of course, we got a nice box of wine. So Maddie should be pretty entertaining for at least this podcast and any other podcasts. No,
I'm sober. I'm just drinking a soda. Oh, it's just a soda. Yeah, it's a blueberry ice Diet Coke. Delicious. It's my favorite one. Well, today we were both going to talk about St. Patrick's Day because that's coming up.
Yeah, I think we're scheduled to release on stage. Patrick's Day,
but I got really angry about the fact that soap is suddenly selling out because that made me think people must not have been washing their hands this whole time. Now, let me tell you when I was 22, I threw out my back. And I mean, threw it out to the point where I had to literally be carried to the bathroom for a solid week. I did not have health insurance at the time, because I couldn't afford it. I was between jobs and grad school it was a whole thing. So I couldn't go to the doctor. So a solid week I couldn't move. And that happened. While I was simply leaning over the sink to wash my hands. I there was a pop and then I couldn't stand up again. You know what I still do? I still wash my hands,
even though the worst you've ever been hurt was a hand washing injury.
Yes. So the fact that soap is suddenly falling out makes me think people must not have been washing their hands. So today I'm here to talk about the history of hand washing.
When does it start? What does plenty have to say about hand washing,
I actually couldn't find anything. About plenty in fact, I couldn't find anything before the 14th century, okay. But I'm sure there was stuff before that. I mean, there's biblical references. Like, I just blanked him as a conscious pilot being like, I'm washing my hands of this. It's always had a religious meaning. It's always been this is me getting the darkness and the dirtiness off of myself. But it wasn't always health related. It's funny. I started researching this only four days ago, and it was really hard to find information. I finished my research yesterday and there was a lot out there. So people are actually looking for this. People are publishing I'm a little worried that people started writing research papers on it that got published just a couple of weeks before we found out about the pandemic happening.
Or I think maybe the algorithm was seeing all these people like it's like,
No, I'm talking about I'm talking about scientific papers published February 20. Oh, wow. Okay, so people knew this was coming and no one was listening. So
like you are on the cutting edge of handwashing science with this podcast. Listen to hear folks. You like getting The best hand washing information you could get all because you listen to us in this time of trial.
Now some of my resources of course, were global hand washing.org, the National Center for Biotechnology Information NBR history extra.com, Hardy diagnostics, National Geographic. I couldn't figure out what college this was what its history of handwashing got leader dot msu. edu the committee on the control of foodborne illness of the International Association of Food Protection, which is actually a series of 12 pieces that are fascinating, written by UN CD Todd at all, if you just basically look for hand washing, and then Todd at all, you'll find these 12 pieces, they are legitimately fascinating, and I could have easily read all 12 of them and just summarize them, but that's not what I'm really here to talk about. So in the 14th century, people began to see a connection between illness and dirtiness. A surgeon named john Arden Arden john Arden wrote about making Making sure he is potential apprentices. He is a surgeon all had clean hands and nails in the early 1500s Italian Dr. Tommaso Rango. nae also said that hands should be regularly cleaned and his peers recognize that skin diseases like scabies could easily be spread from skin to skin contact. So they were recognizing we can spread stuff from our skin. Understandably, they didn't understand that things you couldn't see were spreading that way. But they're like, Oh, you know, I have scabies. I'm touching you know, you have scabies. Like it was like cooties, but visible. So they understood that during this time, people tend also tended to wash their hands before eating people like this era get a really bad rap. But they actually were washing their hands fairly regularly. Georgian, we don't hear about Georgian times very much. No. Wealthy people worried about their servants having dirty hands while cooking and serving their food and even insisted that they keep their hands visible so that they could make sure they were clean.
Just like mom does. Before going we ate. It's like Oh, hey, Like Nice try bud.
Even Jonathan Swift's book, which was called directions to servants wasn't written in 1745 went after servants who made salads after using the toilet or handling more raw meat. So they knew something was connected in between feces and raw meat and uncooked food. Wow. In 1745, which, by the way is also when we started figuring out you know, things like vaccines. Remember what I talked about? Yeah, that slave who was like, Hey, guys, by the way, this is what we do. I want you to keep in mind that vaccines have existed since before hand washing regulations. But then actual science got involved, and people were like, Nope, can't listen to it. Now. We don't believe in science. In 1846, a doctor named Ignace Semmelweis was working in Vienna General Hospital in Hungary. He noticed that the women who gave birth in the part of the hospital run by medical students and doctors were significantly more likely to die than those in the neighboring midwife run maternity ward, his hospitals mortality rate. Was 16% while the midwives was a comparatively low 7% not being an idiot, he decided to see what the two were doing differently. He tried a few different things like first he realized that women in the midwifery gave birth on their sides while they gave birth on their backs in the hospital. I tried that, that didn't fix the mortality rate. Then they had a priest that would walk through the hospital ringing a bell Can I want you to imagine somebody in those kind of rooms and like saying chanting prayers and doing you probably think you're about to die. The midwife didn't have that. So he stopped that, that shockingly, didn't stop people from dying. But then a pathologist got sick and died. So once a man actually got sick, that's when they're trying to figure out what's happening because you have a vagina there can't possibly be an issue there. He discovered that the pathologist had pricked himself during an autopsy and died of the same kind of fever of the women and the word died from he then realized that doctors and med students were going to the maternity ward immediately after performing autopsies. And not touch it not washing their hands.
This sounds a lot like what? from Dr. mutairi what Dr. Meeks was saying can't possibly be the problem. And what year was this? 1846 Okay, so like roughly the same time this was Yep.
midwives on the other hands weren't doing surgery or touching dead people then delivering babies and touching open wounds on women. So some of the lights decided that the doctors had cadaverous particles on their hands and insisted that they wash all instruments and their hands with chlorine. Before entering the maternity ward, women went from 16% mortality rate to 3%
Damn. However, there's always that however,
however, the doctors got really, really pissy because they're like, you're being mean to us and saying that it's our fault that the women are dying is like, No, I'm saying that there's particles on you. Yes, like
you're hitting your hands. We've learned a new thing, follow the new thing. So they
stopped washing their hands in protest and said that the Water in the hospital was really to blame. So their death rate went back up. And no one would listen to symbolize granted, he was kind of a dick about the whole thing and publicly be raped the people who didn't listen to him. And it's been proven that when you're making a decision about a policy change, you need to at least make the other people who work with you believe they had a say in this and this was partially their idea. And he didn't do that. And instead, he just told them they were idiots for not listening. But later on Semmelweis, he lost his job over this, they kept the doctors who wouldn't want the hands got rid of the one who lowered the mortality rate shocked he would either develop syphilis or very early onset Alzheimer's in his 40s and he went to an asylum where he was beaten and ultimately died of sepsis which would have been prevented if the doctors and washed their hands.
Alanis Morissette would say That's ironic,
well think about that whistleblower doctor who was like hey guys coronavirus is a real problem and then died of Corona virus. It's all fucking It like yeah, things don't change. He was not the first doctor to discover this. Oliver Wendell Holmes, for instance, published on it first, but the irony of his death is probably why some advices more remember kind of like how Jonathan Larson died the night before rent opened, like, I don't know that rent would be as big of a thing now if that hadn't happened. Now, Oliver Wendell Holmes he was he wrote about his life guys, we we know for a fact we have proven washing your hands will lower the mortality rate your patients will be healthier, you are not likely to kill them. He had an enemy who was his enemy. This enemy did not like the idea that Holmes put forth that men hands weren't magically clean all the time. In fact, saying doctors are gentleman and gentleman's hands are clean. Who said it? Who said
it? Who do you think does it doctor mean?
Going back to the fact that this guy treated women giving birth if these guys had all been penis doctors This would have been fixed before now. Oh yeah. 1,000,000%. So it all ties together all of history is one big ball of wibbly wobbly timey, whiny stuff. I love it. So I found that means reference and I almost didn't include the Oliver Wendell Holmes thinks it's not especially important to the greater story, but I'm like, oh man, nice shows back up. And he's the villain in this story.
It means is the villain in everybody's story,
except for Rachel blooms, or Rebecca bunch, as it were, because she's the villain in her own story. That's true. We also have Lewis Pastore and Joseph Lister.
Oh, Louie pester you up. Lewis pasture
began to make advances in germ theory in the 19th century, in part because of what Semmelweis found at this point, people still believe in the miasma theory, which is we've talked about Yeah, lead that disease spreads through bad smells. These two dudes were like, Hey, I bet they're tiny organisms. In fact, let's call them micro organisms. And these can enter your body and reproduce. They were not the first people to engage in germ theory. germ theory began in the 1500s. They had early microscopes then they were like, Huh, what's this tiny thing I'm looking at? And then later on, they were like, Huh, people who have this one illness have tiny things like this in their blood, people who don't have this illness don't have those tiny things. I bet these tiny things have to do with the illness. So germ theory actually began in the 1500s. But past you all, and lets you do risky. I, again, making sure that
I'm actually making shit up. What we do in this podcast is we make fun of the Jazz Age, and we make fun of the jazz and we I'm a part of the Jazz Age and I mispronounce French that's my thing.
Jazz Age comes up in this too. Yes. Louie, Louie P. Let's go with that. And Joseph Lister who were not working together as far as I could find. I'm not an expert, but there was no like past And Lister added again kind of thing. They look like those past
year boys are added again,
they figured out without any room for doubt that germs lead to disease. There was no room for doubt at this point they probably figured out on a penis somehow and pastor of course didn't fit the process of pasteurization in which germs and other microorganisms could be killed and food and drink would be safer to consume and last longer it had to do with heating things to a certain level. Two years after symbolizes death, Joseph Lister began to insist on surgeons washing their hands. They weren't too keen on it, but he didn't get as much pushback as Semmelweis did probably because he wasn't as big of a dick about it in the 1870s. It kind of became standard for them to wash their hands before surgery. But it wasn't intensive scrubbing. It was like cheap done, like people apparently do. Now, around this time as well. I'm going to briefly mention her because she actually doesn't come up as much in this research. As you might imagine, Florence Nightingale was working as a nurse in the Crimean War. It's asserted that she reduced the death rate among her patients from 42% to 2% by random by enforcing hygiene practices including hand washing her Later career also involved advocating for sanitary living conditions and peacetime deaths and in the army reduced as well. But she was ignored because vagina by the late 19th century so we're getting towards the end of this century soap actually became pretty common on regular stores shelves before this time it actually wasn't regularly available to normal non doctor people. So it's everywhere. But let's skip ahead to the 1920s.
Let's do it. I want to hear about the 1920s
I want you to remember late 19th century late hundreds soap is widely available. Nobody really notices it was kind of like right before this whole coronavirus thing and I don't mean so it's like toilet paper. I've got plenty.
Why? How would Why would I need three cases of toilet paper from Costco?
You still don't need three cases of toilet paper. We
had one that's lasted us like close to a year.
Yeah, we actually Austin texted me he goes What if we actually do run out of toilet paper and then people think we're crazy because we've gotten by Toilet paper because we're down to like five rolls.
This is I like this. I was actually up at night worried about this, I discovered a new form of social anxiety. You're welcome internet.
But then I pointed out to him that we also have about 10 boxes of Kleenex is Yep. So we good and also, you know toilet paper and we're good.
We do have our emergency Trump's roll
we do we have a role as Trump on it that I gave you for Christmas two years ago. Yeah. Well, we're skipping ahead to the 1920s. We're talking 80 years after people thought that Semmelweis was mean, and Florence Nightingale was some kind of witch or something, right? Yeah. The next time it really came up was for profit because we listen to profit more than medicine.
Like it's someone's got to make a dime off of it.
The soap manufacturing company lever brothers lever is still around. Yes, ran a clean hands campaign telling kids they need to wash their hands three times a day before breakfast and dinner and then they also after school, they also ran ads and I'll try to post some of these on our social media. Because the Amazing saying that lifebuoy soap life buoy soap Why is not still a thing prevented the dangers associated with dirty hands and that parents are bad parents if they don't force their kids to wash their hands and also to model this behavior for them. This is an excellent advertising campaign. I
yeah, that's a excellent advertising campaign and you know, parents, they should think their kids wash their hands, kids hands are sticky and gross, they and
they absolutely should be making their kids wash their hands. This was not something they knew really before this time. I just love You know, it's manipulative advertising and it's super mean and it makes me happy. I like it when things are mean. explains so
So it did have a little bit of effect, but there still wasn't a huge push for every house to have soap. And there was no kind of hand washing rule. Like in restaurants, anything like that. There was no like we know now wash your hands this way for 20 seconds. They didn't have any of that. So that's the Jazz Age, we're still not focusing on clean hands. You might be thinking now, maybe by World War Two, we had it figured out.
I mean, surely by World War Two, we were entering the Atomic Age, we should have figured this out, they
begin to realize that unhygenic conditions were exacerbating the illnesses and injuries of soldiers. So they started to, you know, big things cleaner. And they invented the CDC in 1946. The CDC was like, hey, let's get some information out. So that must be when the hand washing regulations and dispersal of information happened, right, obviously, yeah,
no, I'm guessing No, your face says no.
So remember, CDC invented in 1946? Yeah, give me a guess about when muttered having hand washing regulations.
I'm gonna put it like like around john F. Kennedy, JFK?
No, it was the 1980s the 80s the 80s as in the decade in which you and I were born with someone like was
like this big rash of people getting sick from like their guitars
Unknown Speaker 19:58
from food. Oh, from food.
Yeah. So people have only been told to regularly wash their hands for 40 years. How has humanity survived this long? Crazy in 1981 the first guidelines for those in public health settings were outline So up until this point had been like, yeah, wash your hands. I mean, it's like, nobody was regulating it.
There's nobody sure surely they were like you need to wash your hands. But there just wasn't like the best practices. People were washing their hands. Right, right. People were washing their hands
like this is literally the first time there was a hard and fast hard and fast set rule rule set for doctors and nurses light and even then there was resistance because it makes my skin red and itchy. They were like I would much rather transfer disease to my patients that have eczema. This is uncomfortable that I have really severe eczema often can attest to how miserable I was for a while. Oh my god it was it was like it looked like leprosy. Yeah, he called it my leprosy before we knew what it was, eczema sucks. I would rather wash my hands with highly fragrant soap every single day then have the possibility of spreading disease to somebody. So they went in and discovered that alcohol based things were actually less irritating than antiseptic, which I'll talk more about in a minute, but think we're choosing to kill people over having some eczema until somebody figured this out for them. What was the
1980s? I mean, your hair was big and you're
outside changing one things are still very 70s
Okay, cool. So nevermind
that remember though. This is just doctors, the rest of us don't need that shit. Right,
right. Oh, except for like everyone who cooks and handles anything that's related to food or children.
Hand washing became popularized after a series of foodborne illnesses in the late 1980s, late 1980s.
There was one in the early 1980s but for the majority often, we were alive. Both of us were already fucking born before people thought Hmm, maybe I should wash my hands. Wow. How Did we survive? But actually though I'm not saying our parents didn't wash their hands obviously but not everybody around them was washing their hands
like this explain how like all those like greasy spoons our parents talked about, Oh, I got sick from this restaurant was the last time we got sick from a restaurant.
Well, there been a few outbreaks over the last few years like there was something with lettuce and
yeah, that was like, but that was like just unwashed lettuce that wasn't hand washing that was just lettuce that hadn't been cleaned properly.
Who were had the lettuce come from? had nobody ever touched it? Oh, yeah. Yeah, and the granite stuff it is from the chemicals and blah, blah, blah. But keep in mind the entire chain of people that touches your food before it even gets to the restaurant. Many of them live in places that don't even have wells regularly available to wash their hands in let alone sinks and regular wrecks. This included a 1987 Shigella thanks stomach flu diarrhea outbreak in North Carolina. That's it 6350 people or another in Michigan in 1988. When people got it from tofu is this way my family hates tofu. Well, the next one's in Minnesota. This is might be why my family's still tough. Oh, this is the early 80s one that I mentioned, but I just thought it was interesting in 1982 3000 people got norovirus from Boston in Minnesota, this actually kind of sad and it ties directly to what's happening now. So as you guys probably heard, a lot of people are afraid that they're going to lose their jobs if they get coronavirus or if their kids have to stay home from school or anything like that because their hourly workers who rely on this paycheck to paycheck or maybe just slightly better than that, and there aren't very many rules saying that you can't be fired for getting something like coronavirus. So this is one of those cases this guy was worked in a bakery had diarrhea and vomiting happening worked for six hours, making frosting and frosting cakes. During that time. He had five bouts of diarrhea and vomited twice and then went straight back to working with his up to his elbow in the last day.
You Yeah, please tell me it wasn't chocolate frosting. It doesn't say thank you whoever wrote this for not much if it was chocolate
because of this one guy 3000 people got sick and I can't even be mad at him about it because you have he had sick kids at home too. It said, What are you gonna do just miss paychecks and then not make your bill payments. Like, I get it. It sucks though.
And I actually I worked at a job at Wells Fargo don't care if you're sick.
I worked her job once where I was in food service. I had made this food I was handling out samplings of this food. This was not cooked food. And one moment I'm handing out samples The next thing I'm lying on the ground samples of sushi lie all around me. And then I got up and ran the bathroom to throw up and then I went to my supervisor and I said something's really wrong. I have to go to the health center because this was on a college campus got there got diagnosed with a very bad flu. One of the sickest times I've ever been like, sicker was swine flu and one other flu I got on my way walking home from The Health Center my boss called me and said it was inappropriate that I had left my shift and that if that if anything like this ever happened again and if I didn't provide a doctor's note I was fired. Wow, I was handling sushi the least cooked food on earth like I gloves on when I made the sushi. I think I had gloves on when I made the samples but she wanted me to stay at work with the stomach flu working in food service on a college campus making God knows how many people say
oh my god, you could have you could have killed the generation of scholars, scholars. Oh yeah, nevermind.
Like how the fuck seriously hope we survived this long. And then in 1995 tonight to 96 so you and I are in like fifth grade. Right? Right. Up until this point we've been told Yeah, kind of wash your hands right. The CDC healthcare and infection control practices Advisory Committee, also known as ipaq began to recommend that doctors and nurses use anti microbial soap or waterless antiseptic when leaving the rooms of patients who had multiple drug resistant pathogens. until this point, they had not been telling them to use good soap when leaving the rooms of people who had illnesses that were resistant to drugs. How have we survived? Okay, like
washing your hands? Seems like the easiest, simplest, cheapest solution to so many of these problems and why the fuck are we so resistant to this?
Well, at this point, nobody had told them to do it. So they didn't weren't doing it. Like, you don't know what you don't know yet. But that's something that should have been like, Hey, wait a second. People in this hospital are catching this thing that this guy in isolation has? How are they getting it? Oh, wait, it's because we don't have antimicrobial procedures for when we leave. So foodborne illnesses still happen. Because people aren't careful in washing their hands. Think about how many you've seen in just the last few years people going from the farmers to people working in the restaurants. That said I truly do believe the majority people who work in food service are doing their best to not kill you. I have worked in food service a few times we are trying to not kill you. At least those of us who don't write the paychecks are
I don't know why A lot of true crime documentaries and there are lots of people in food service that want to kill you like Jeffrey Dahmer. No handshakes.
Got to turn off this blender. So Todd at all suggests that what they need and what people need in general is not just to be told to wash their hands, but to have a culture around them that supports hand wash it. So it's one thing to be told Go wash your hands. It's another thing to be encouraging about it. So think about when you're a kid and your parents go wash your hands. Oh, washing it was always like,
like a punitive thing. Like it was a it was a washing my hands was like, like, Hey, you will fuck up, go wash your hands.
Yeah, and it's a good thing for parents to model this like was mentioned in the 1920s ad, but also to teach their kids how to do it, do the full 20 seconds thing and make it kind of a fun thing. This is the thing that you're eventually going to want to do. I'm not saying give them candy for doing it because that doesn't provide it increase intrinsic motivation which Todd at all says is very important. They need to want to do it and not just because of a reward and he's talking about adults kids if you start them young man, so things like teach them of song that they only get to see when they wash their hands you
want to hear when you hear the song that I've been going through in my head that you might 22nd timer, it is the first part of all star by Smash Mouth. Yeah, you just like start, you start it, and you stop at well,
but why would you stop? Why don't you just wash your hand for the entire three and a half minutes?
Because I don't have obsessive compulsive disorder. Shut up. It's okay have to list all 50 shades states when I wash my hands, what are you doing?
I have to install 50 states here my hands won't get clean. So you need to have this positive culture surrounding hand washing. You need to create this whole like hand washing is a good thing because it's a good thing. It's something that good people do. Yeah, not. You're a bad person. If you don't wash your hands. We've talked about this with things like the bystander effect, like you're
a filthy little boy. You need to wash your hands not say like you want to kill your grandma. Wash your hands.
Yes. So you want it to be a positive thing let's get some force from a young age. So I want to briefly explain something to some person on the internet on an article I was reading that was like about good hand washing practices. And it basically like they're like yeah 20 seconds is good. If you have if you're in a hurry, wash your hands no matter what like 10 seconds, five seconds do it but 20 seconds and whether the whole thing this person didn't know the difference between antimicrobial and antibacterial, and so they're saying you don't need to wash your hands. It doesn't make a difference right now anyway, because soap is antibacterial, which means it doesn't kill viruses. This person is wrong. Don't listen to morons on the internet. Listen to morons who have podcasts. Now, they are correct in saying this, but they're talking about hand sanitizer, not soap, but soap is anti microbial, anti microbial things, kill microorganisms or at least stop their growth including both bacteria and viruses. antibiotics or antibacterials kill only bacteria not a virus. Corona virus is a virus in order for your hand sanitizer to work it has to be at least 90% alcohol the standard is 60 to 70%. So if you're alcohol hand sanitizer is not 90% you are not protecting yourself Corona virus from Corona virus you might as well just get rubbing alcohol at least that's higher
actually not even railroading alcohol because I know I work in a library and occasionally we'll have like scares about bedbugs. And we know that for to kill a bedbug it has to be at least 91% alcohol and you have to special order that you cannot find that places
basically anything that's not soap and water will not kill a virus. And if you managed to find something that is similar to handsome has a rubbing alcohol that is strong enough it will eat off your skin because that's when it becomes a disinfectant.
Yeah, it absolutely burns your skin. You do not you want to wear gloves when you're working with that stuff.
lectins are antimicrobials that you do not drink or put on your skin. They are things like your bleaches your all purpose cleaners. All antiseptics are anti microbials and applied to living tissues. So antiseptics that's kind of like what's in your wipes that you use and things like that. But at the end of the day soap and water soap and water, soap and water. Also the water doesn't have to be hot because water can not get hot enough to kill micro micro organisms and also not melt your skin off.
That's true. Yeah, cuz if it's hot enough to kill bacteria, it's hot enough to kill your skin cells.
Yeah, so basically if you prefer cold water, go for it. It doesn't fucking matter. When I
say like warm water is just for comfort. It's not
exactly warm water is just for comfort. It doesn't need to be so hot that it smells you in fact that's probably just doing more damage. Anyway. So those are the differences in the antimicrobials antibiotic slash antibacterials antiseptics and disinfectants people seem confused when I was As a teacher, I taught Middle School Oh, you would think that you don't have to teach middle schoolers how to wash their hands. And in fact, I made a joke about that because every semester even if they'd had me already, they had to learn about health and hygiene because I was a theater teacher, and theaters are cramped, disease spreads quickly. I was very insistent about hand washing and vampire coughing if any of my students are listening. Yes, I will be posting a link to the vampire cough video. You know which one I'm talking about. And part of you is groaning right now a part of us thinking man, I missed that video. Vampire coughing is when you cough into your elbow.
Why am I doing? Why did I do that? You can't see me on the podcast.
But middle schoolers, even if you know how to wash your hands, even if you had somebody at some point teach you to the 20 seconds in the whole thing. You aren't doing it. Anyway. You're asking me I'm sure. Maddie, you're right. How do I wash my hands effectively tell us tell us Well anytime you're messing with food or dealing with human waste or any other fluids or blowing your nose or similar or handling your pets or their food or touching garbage wash your fucking hands. Even if you're thinking I haven't washed my hands in a couple hours wash your fucking hands. Just do it then you go into wherever you plan to wash your hands your bathroom, your kitchen, the hose outside I don't care Get your hands wet. Yes put the water on them first the soap is less effective without the water people seem to think oh, but so correctly on my hands. It's gonna be a lot soap here. No, no, no, it needs the water but water is important. Then start. start scrubbing your hands, rub them together friends backspin your fingers under your nails for at least 20 seconds go to town on those bad boys. I hate the Happy Birthday song which sing twice. They tell you to do it go on the internet. There's a whole list of 22nd songs. I list the 50 states and I've gotten really good at it except for Wisconsin, which does not exist. It looks
like a mitten, honestly, who can take them seriously.
So I always get to 49 and I'm like, which one do I forget and it's always fucking Wisconsin. Then after you've scrubbed your hands for 20 seconds, rinse them completely get all of that shit off and then dry them. Towels are best like freshly cleaned towels or disposable paper towels.
Remember when you yell at me when I dried my hands on the cat cats are covered
in their own feces and spit Toubro,
not our cats. They're wonderful little angels.
What fezzik did last night. Oh, gross. Yeah, our cat jumped into the bed and walked across me to get to Austin and he walked across my bare feet. And he definitely just used the letterbox and had not cleaned himself thoroughly because he is large and can't balance well. Anyway, if you don't wash your hands simply because you cannot dry them. You are an idiot. And you remember how nice I was during bystander syndrome? Yeah, not like everybody's gonna do the right thing all the time. Not everybody's going to like, you know step in and helps but uh, you're not having to put yourself at risk here. But you are putting other people on risk if you don't wash your hands. You don't know who could be immunocompromised already. I actually saw somebody say that's their problem. They just shouldn't go in public
yet. No, that's that's bullshit.
Yeah, it's like also they have family members who have to go in public are not carrying your feces back to them. I had a medical exemption from the whooping cough vaccine. I got whooping cough because somebody chose to not get vaccinated and also chose to not wash their hands. Chances are if you are somebody who does not wash your hands, you have killed somebody at some point. hope you're proud. Now you're thinking, Okay, well, what about that hand sanitizer? Fuck you. Seriously?
Yeah, hand sanitizer, not as good. It's just drying out your skin and it's actually more likely to make you sick because then bacteria can get in through these little tiny dried out spots in your skin and into your bloodstream through your hands.
It doesn't replace so No, seriously, it fucking doesn't. And we need to stop pretending it does look at you again. Schools. Let the kids wash their hands. Give them an extra minute of passing people. Time, stop beating the robot from hell, how they set time where it's like, let's just go take a bathroom break even in middle in high school, nothing stand in there and creepily watch the kids make sure they wash their hands because at that point, it's you know, they're old enough, but at least don't take away the opportunity and don't say just use hand sanitizer, but the CDC agrees with us. Yay. It says that these do not get rid of all types of germs including viruses, they are not as effective if your hands are visibly dirty or have any kind of grease on them. And it is not able to remove harmful chemicals. You know, can
soapy water, water? Yeah, the much much cheaper and better for your skin soap and water.
But if you're in a bind, and you have to use it, I want to go back to the soap thing earlier, the public soap thing. I do understand, but some people do have legitimate severe allergies to different types of soaps. And well you probably do carry your own soap in that case, I know sometimes shit happens and you forget things. I'm not mad at you. I also understand this might be a time where you do need to use hand sanitizer, not mad at you. Some things just suck. But I'm kind of guessing that like the eight out of 10 people who leave the bathroom, I'm making up a statistic without washing their hands, probably not all allergic to it. Again, as somebody with skin allergies and eczema, I'd rather be in pain. But I knew some people like have skin allergies that are very severe and I am not, you are not my target audience with this. If you do need to use hand sanitizer, apply it to one hand in the amount that the bottle recommends more than that you are actually just doing nothing and making yourself small that the evaporation is what kills the germs. If you have too much hand sanitizer it will not evaporate quickly or effectively. You rub it front back underneath between fingers just like soap and water for 20 seconds just like soap and water. If it's not fully dry, wave your hands back and forth and back and forth so that it will finish evaporating if you rub it on your pants you have undone all the work that you do. Did and now you smell like hand sanitizer for no reason. Seriously though, just use the goddamn so remember how low Semmelweis got the number of women dying to remember the number of times throughout history we've gone Hey, you know what works soap and water? somebody goes, No, I'm not gonna do it. No, don't be that guy. Be the guy who lowered the mortality rate be cool, wash your fucking hands. I catch everything you do. And I wash my hands regularly. I'm a lot better now that I'm not teaching in a classroom but it goes back to kids aren't given the time. teachers aren't given the time to effectively wash their hands. Of course, things are spread and they like to blame it on the enclosed spaces or the number of people. Nobody ever talks about the fact that kids are not given time and opportunity to wash their hands. I've worked in schools that literally We even went to a school but it was the year after we left that literally locked the bathrooms during passing periods sometimes during class sometimes both.
I wish was
more. Not only allowed to use the bathroom because oh, there was some graffiti if you are shopping them from washing their hands
peed in a bush because of that.
And also do you really want one of the kids who has to like show off that you have some kind of gastrointestinal related disease by having a special bathroom? That just seems mean. So let kids wash their hands. Let employees have time to wash their hands. If you are just sitting at home throughout the day and realize I haven't gone to the bathroom and a few hours. Go wash your hands. If you're about to make food. Wash your hands if you just pet your cat wash your hands so hard guys tired of being sick all the time.
I never get sick, but I'll get sick for like six hours and then you'll get it and you'll be down for like a week.
Soda just went up my nose.
Oh no, she's gonna get sick. This is it. This is what's gonna kill her. It's gone into her lungs and she's gonna get like some weird ice berry fungus. Anyway, question I am ready for some questions.
This Be On The Test. Well, the first person to really push for hand washing in hospitals the fact that he was ignored by doctors because their feelings were hurt beyond the test. Yes.
Because kids need to learn that sometimes fuck your feelings. Yeah,
yes, sometimes guys, yes, your feelings do matter most of the time. But if your feelings are hurt because somebody told you to go back and wash your hands better get over it. Well, the fact that soap started become more widely used not for health reasons, but because they made some money beyond the test. You know what
this is America and I feel like that's what they'll be most proud to teach you.
Well, the fact that hand sanitizer does not kill viruses and should not replace soapy on the test.
No, because then there's some kid who's gonna have an absolute fucking panic attack.
And this I don't know why I wrote this. I think there was a question on this at some point. Read it. Read it. People on the internet are fucking morons. If they tell you to not use soap to not wash your hands and then It's better to have literal shit on your fingers than eczema. I think there was a question intended, like, well,
will that statement show up on a test? It will show up and in that exact words,
and then teachers get fired and then teachers get fired. So yeah, but should the fact that you shouldn't listen to randos on the internet over actual medical science beyond the test?
Yeah, that should be on the test. But I feel like though that ship has sailed Jenny McCarthy
You are the thing that pisses me off about Mask Singer. She's the
she is the low point of Masked Singer. If that anyone other than her that should be perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Like this Robin Thicke is a delight and I did not expect that but Jenny McCarthy could just fucking dial right.
Okay. And this last week, the person who got revealed and fast forward like 30 seconds if you haven't watched it yet,
yes, there we have a best singer spoiler on our podcast.
Austin actually came very close to guessing it because he's like, Oh, I was like, it's a republican and he goes It's one of the Pailin kids, the one with the kid and I was like Bristol.
I didn't say one of the Pailin kids. I said, it's one of the Pailin brood.
And it turned out to be Sarah fucking Pailin. And we both yelled Sarah Palin, and our cats were furious.
I have they were they, they were scared. And they've been acting weird ever since. So I think Sarah Palin ruined our cat
watching her thing, sir. Mix a lot. Baby Got Back. We're in a world right now. We're seeing Sarah Palin on television is a high point
of your week. solid performance didn't terrify me. Unlike many other performances I've seen from conservatives in the media this last week.
So that is my long extensive rant and anger about hand washing. Have fun editing.
Good. You're punishing me. Well, it's okay. I'm glad we had your nice light. hopeful, brilliant. Oh, Jesus Christ. But what are we at 53 minutes? So I'm going to save mine for next week.
Because we had a PSA about washing your fucking hands. You got damn animals. I actually had the word cretins in their. deleted okay? You cretins.
I don't even need to do mine. The St. Patrick's Day related one. We don't even do it.
Our episodes are usually an hour to an hour, 10 minutes long, each of us taking 35 ish minutes. And I just went on a hand washing his okay. The history of hand washing was actually really interesting. It
was very interesting.
Unknown Speaker 43:47
And I'm sure there's a lot that I said, you know, that's the thing I've been like
kind of keeping track of like, okay, when can I cut her off because usually you'll go on a rant about something completely unrelated. That's like one of your hard takes on Something you didn't do it on this one, you were
very focused. Well, this whole thing was my hard take and I know super controversial wash your motherfucking hands. I still can't get over remember, I walked out into the bedroom or into the living room from the bathroom and I said, Austin, you won't believe how recently people started washing their hands. And I was like in horror and I couldn't tell you you kept yelling save it for the podcast, save it for the podcast. Like I had a sinking
like the sinking feeling. This is gonna be a long one. And when I asked her about, like, how long is yours, it's like, oh, it's seven pages.
6606 pages. I'm not actually as long as most of mine. What I've got like five pages of
handwritten notes. I talk as long as you do. This is crazy. So like, should I?
Yeah, I think okay, I guess worst case scenario, we'll split it into two episodes.
Yeah. Well, mine's not going to be like two episodes worth. This will be the special St. Patrick's Day, attentive about washing your hands because I'm going to talk about a disease. But not a disease, a potato disease and how it affected Irish history. Okay, so I'm going to talk about the potato famine, potatoes. What I learned in school about potato famine was more or less this there was a disease that killed off all of the potatoes in Ireland. A bunch of the Irish people left and came to America. And now we have a parade.
Do you know where the parade started? Where the parade start? We like to say it started in Boston. As much as Boston's I want to give you
credit started in Philly.
Started in Florida,
Yeah, god damn and the St. Patrick's Day stuff. parade and all the festivities. We started the Irish are now adopting for centuries. For centuries, all pubs were closed on St. Patrick's Day. You go to the pub, can you tell what I was originally gonna research St. Patrick's Day, the history of St. Patrick's Day celebration.
Well, it's okay. I just had to take a lighthearted look at it. What have a One of the greatest tragedies in history.
We do either of our things involve genocide. Yes, I did that we were so close.
Yeah, it's arguably arguably genocide. So it looks like here's a little bit of background potatoes not native to Ireland. Ah, they actually came from South America. They're first cultivated in Peru. Okay. They are brought to Europe and are currently the fourth largest food crop after corn, wheat and rice that we grow. Okay, so, uh, potatoes are a great food. They have a pretty high yield per acre. They have a lot of calories for every acre, you plant potatoes, and they've got a lot of good vitamins. I've gotten vitamin C, they got a lot of potassium, and they keep really well so potatoes don't go bad. They're easy to cook. There's not a lot of processing you have to do to have a potato go from something you've taken out of the field to something you can eat. Not like with rice or with wheat or with corn. Well, it's all those extra steps. Potatoes, good to go. They keep they're a great food. Okay, I have a potato question. Sure.
Okay. You still eat potatoes when they started growing new potatoes? Yes. Do they taste good anymore?
Okay, like, I know that when our potatoes start growing new potatoes, I either put them in the compost or actually go plant them.
Yeah, that's what we do. That's how we grow potatoes because we are cool like that. And this was like potatoes the fact that they did this was great for an industrialized world because there are fewer people farming. There were more people packed into small areas and they had less time to do agricultural work. So these low maintenance easy potatoes really helped kind of spur the Industrial Revolution. So potatoes Yay. And here's some history about Ireland basically ever since. Well, for Chrome. Well, England hadn't been shitting on the Irish and the Catholics for hundreds of years. When chrome well invaded Ireland. He killed about 10% of Ireland, and then they penalized all the Catholic Catholics. Here are some of the laws that they had that affected the Catholics, which was about 80% of violence. They cannot hold public office. They could not own firearms. They could not be a lawyer. They couldn't vote. They couldn't teach. They couldn't marry Protestants. They couldn't go to university even abroad. They had, they could not build churches out of stone, and they could not build churches by a road. Most of these did get appealed by 1846. But it contributed to just generational poverty and kind of an underclass of citizen.
Sorry, I am not laughing about that happening. That's horrific. But I'm just remembering when I was going through my confirmation classes, because I went to Catholic school, I've mentioned that probably too many times. And one of our things was to compare different churches are not different religions, just different Catholic churches, and I walked into one and they had all of these statues of saints everywhere, and these were clearly multiple thousands of dollars each. Don't get me started on the whole false idol thing. And then they had the audacity to say we're struggling for money. This church was not struggling for money. They are still a very wealthy church to this day and ask people to raise their tithe Just from the amount prescribed, I believe in the Bible,
I possibly I don't know, I haven't read that thing. So talking
about like, poverty among Catholics, it's just so not what I have seen growing up in the church.
Oh, yeah, this was a very different time. And of course, also there is all these confusing laws about land ownership and who could own land who couldn't, I'll give you a hint, the Catholics weren't really allowed to own land. And the ones that did own land, they couldn't inherit it directly. So it led to kind of a system of landlords and basically rich English people buying the land and then leasing it out to the Irish, but because they didn't live in Ireland, they'd have middlemen in Ireland who'd handle it, and they would raise the rent so they could basically make more profit. And then they'd divide and subdivide all of these plots until you didn't have enough land to farm on to actually make any money. And you could grow enough potatoes to maybe sell to pay your rent and have enough to eat there was subsistence farming and most of them were ended up working for their landlords doing something Else and growing their own potatoes for food just to survive.
That sounds kind of like what I was talking about with. Oh my god, I just lost her name that the one from the civil rights event, Fannie,
Hamer, yeah, what she was growing up with, she was living with
very similar sharecropping. And also that's the word that there weren't really any tenants rights. If you did anything to improve your land, your landlord could just kick you off, and they didn't have to compensate you for any improvements. So there was no incentive to improve things. The one place that was different was an Ulster where they had if you had any like made improvements, like you built a new shed, your landlord evicted you they had to compensate you for that shed,
Ulster came up a lot. In my second topic, I was looking at the history of leprechauns. Ooh, I know I just the hand washing thing, then the hand washing thing.
I this poor country about 6 million pounds a year were being sent back to these landowners in England just for rent. So this wasn't staying in the community. This was just a leech upon them and these like landlords and their middlemen were called land. Sharks leeches parasite, they were a big problem and were awful and people were starting to realize this was a problem too. And of course, Ireland was the poorest country in Europe at the time. And it was just it was a bad situation. Here we go. Let's get started. I mean, 1841 census, there were 8 million Irish people living in Ireland and two thirds of them depended directly on agriculture for just subsistence that was most of them were potatoes because they had small crops of land.
Sorry chromatically you took most of the people were potatoes.
Yes, everyone is a potato and Potato Heads is walking around. Sure. picture that that makes it most of them were growing potatoes because that was the only thing they could grow enough of and that would keep
most of the potatoes are growing additional potatoes to then eat we get back to Jeffrey Dahmer all over again.
Oh, no potato shakes. I'm trying to make a spray Pepsi coke out of her nose, poking noses so that the potato blight came and it's actually the pinnacle. I didn't start in it. It started in America and it started.
You've made jokes about this our entire marriage and then you would never clarify what you were talking about. I feel like you've been waiting for like four years to finally explain these jokes to me, of course. So we were going to have a podcast you just knew some. No ever read that.
Everything about our relationship screams Oh my god, these people have a fucking podcast. I bet they're podcasters Yeah, it's a potato blight. Because which is the blight of the 1840s not the current point of podcasters was a fight. Oh, Florida. infestans. It's actually a parasitic algae that a fungus huh?
Yeah. antifungals also came up in my research, all the antis I could have included but guys antifungals get rid of fungus. What I know. So I don't know how you I don't know if there are anti allergies. I guess there are though because people use them on their hands in it right?
Very similar chemically, I don't know anything about him. So to get back to deep that back up, I do that bow.
Unknown Speaker 53:06
I thought you hated the Jazz Age.
It's it's coming back to me. It's all coming back to me now.
Oh my god,
we're gonna make this a two hour long podcast and everyone's gonna have to suffer through it. Most of all, because I'm editing it,
got to listen to my Celine Dion and eventually
it will be a bonus. It started in America in 1842 killed a bunch of crops in 1843 1844, spread to Europe in 1845. And it led to hardship in all of these European countries, not just Ireland, everywhere with its public went, people went hungry. It caused a lot of unrest.
I remember hearing a little bit in school about it not just affecting Ireland, but this was never a major topic we covered Yeah,
the 1848 revolutions or the springtime of the people was the widest revolutionary wave in European history, in fact, everywhere from Spain to Romania that resulted in like the King of France being overthrown yet again, several countries adopting democracy Why are you laughing? And reaching for something
I was just gonna write down what came into my head but now that you know that you've indicated and I have to say you said the widest revolution and it's only the whitest revolution in this time in history
Unknown Speaker 54:20
only had Diet Coke.
This train is off the rails
I think it's just like my my body and mind preparing for three weeks of like, self is my job we are gonna be like stuck with each other for weeks because you don't know whether or not you have to go to work yet. I have to work on that but you have no but after me, I know I'm home for the next three weeks at a minimum and I'm fine with that because I'm I'm a pretty big introvert Believe it or not, I've worked from home in the past I'm okay with it. But man, I don't feel survived three weeks of just being the weather's gonna get nice. You can grow up potatoes.
Yeah, I can start growing our potatoes. Hopefully there won't be a blight. No, we won't start to death in this in these harsh times
more worried about being on toilet paper to death.
It's okay I was looking at these various plants that you can use as toilet paper. We have a lot of the growing in our backyard.
There's a great book by Stephen King called on writing and he mentioned the time when he was a kid, and he went out into the woods to use the bathroom and saw a plant to wipe himself with
it was poison ivy was poison ivy. Oh man. In September 11 1845, Irish papers began reporting a color of potatoes that was causing these potatoes to rot in the field. English officials were optimistic of the alarming reports were just exaggerated Irish news.
What? Yeah, why on earth would be a good thing that that would never happen. Now,
there were some people who were predicting that 80% of the crop would be lost, but it was actually closer to one third to one half potatoes were lost. This was a bad time.
It was unlike now where everything is being taken exactly as seriously as it should be. It's like,
again, we're talking about how it was tough and all these other places. It was tougher in Ireland just because they were already so poor. They were almost entirely dependent on potatoes as their one source of food and the English response was not great. They bought some cornmeal. But they was had to be done like surreptitiously because the Tory Conservative government was backed by wealthy grain merchants who had a lot of protectionist grain tariffs that made it very expensive to import grain and they thought importing grain from America would be would cost them business and drive them out of business. So they didn't want that to happen. So they had to get cornmeal because they can't they couldn't grow corn in England, and so they brought in corn. It took about a year for the corn to get there. When they got there. It was just whole like whole kernels of corn. They didn't have mills in Ireland that could grind down corn, so there's only two that could so that slowed it down again, and the Irish didn't know how to cook with cornmeal. It's very different from like everything else. You have to basically cook it twice. If it cooked wrong and I'll give you just her rendus diarrhea that was yellow and smelled like sulfur. So they called it. They named it after the Prime Minister, Robert Peel and they called it to do where they write it down. I didn't write it down, but basically it was like peels brimstone, I think was the the shifts that the cornmeal gave you.
And now they get to call it the Boris Johnson's, wouldn't they?
Oh, yeah, it was, Oh, yeah, they also got scurvy too, because they were used to eating these mineral and vitamin rich potatoes. But now they were surviving on cornmeal. They all he also improved public works. So basically, you could build roads and stuff and get paid enough to be able to buy cornmeal at cost because it wasn't being given away. So it was a tough time, but they had some stuff that was preventing people from starving to death. There were so like, some minor unrest, but nothing big. And for the first year, it was kind of okay, but in 1846, three quarters of the potato crop was lost and because of that, Work and like them trying to get rid of these grain tariffs and all of this stuff he got kicked out of office. And then the Whigs came in who were very much of the we don't need to provide charity to people. Charity makes them lazy. The market will fix everything.
Whenever there's a question about what party did this on Jeopardy, I always yellow wigs even if I know it's wrong,
it's important to point this out. There was still food in Ireland, they were growing other grains. They grew a lot of beef. But it wasn't being given away to people. They're always for people who couldn't afford it and it was being imported to England. So a lot of the starvation was not because of famine. It was entirely because of greed.
Shocking, good thing. Nobody behaves like that now,
so the free market Whigs put Charles Trevelyan a civil servant in charge of the relief effort. relief is in big fucking quotation marks. First of all the food that was being provided this core meal has been brought in was going to be much less It was not going to be provided at cost to people it was going to be sold at market value by what by English merchants. So they're adding a middleman in, they've closed a lot of food depots, the public works which cut were cut down and where people were paid less. And the big philosophy was, again, poverty is a moral failing.
And we still do
Unknown Speaker 59:20
that today. We absolutely know
if they had made better choices. Well, if they hadn't chosen this life, or even if we talk about people who fall into gangs and drugs, we immediately Brandon was bad people and that's possibly the only way to keep their families safe from you know, other gangs are
the way to make money. It's important to point this out too. They wanted to get rid of potato farming in Ireland, they thought it was making them lazy, because they could just grow enough potatoes to eat and they didn't have to work as hard. And they could continue to be Catholic and not be nice Protestant Englishman, you seem like you have an opinion
no more than usual. So again, this was bad. This was really bad
guys be nice to each other other than when they're not washing their hands. When you hear how it gets worse. Remember, uh, Malthus, the guy who was like talking about how eventually, you know, people will like the population will grow and outstrip their food sources. Yeah, he was talking very specifically about the Irish and how the idea is that there's ever going to be any type of reform in Ireland, it would be after a great deal of them starved to death. Trevelyan was a student of his obviously this didn't go well. It grow it first of all it drove drove the price of food sky high because there was no relief. And people were just paying a lot because there wasn't food. There was theft was rampant. There were highway highway men, livestock killings and revenge to these landlords. Landlords were being murdered. They charity also they'd said, we're gonna have charity help, like encourage charity. The problem is the charity all stayed in the rich areas that were less hurt. The poor areas could not afford the charity to feed everyone else. all their money was being spent on food they couldn't afford To give to charity and they were starving. Uh huh. food prices doubled the middle class even lost everything. Like the small landowners have 1520 acres all went bankrupt and could not afford anything. There were just so many evictions during this time because people couldn't afford to pay they couldn't eat. So landlords were kicking people off left and right and making a ton of money doing it. And there were just people living in the field living in ditches in infield and like, like homeless, starving Irish were rushing into cities, grain was rotting in fields because nobody could afford to pay anyone to harvest it. So what we witnessed was the collapse of the entire Irish economy. Mm hmm. And then at the end of the year, there was incredibly heavy snow up to the eaves of houses. Wow, big snowstorm and then 1847 started or as it's been come to known, black 47 versus the really, really bad times. After two years of bad crops, everything was just gone. Ah, mothers were so malnourished that they stopped producing milk for their children and their babies starved. Hmm. People's teeth were green because they're so hungry. They were eating grass. Mm hmm. Starving men and women fled to the coasts to try to eat seaweed and kelp, or find oysters and things. And fishermen had sold their nets to be able to afford food and they couldn't even catch enough fish to feed people. People even risked their lives by climbing up sea cliffs to find bird nests, and hopefully eat the eggs out of them. Awesome. Yeah, again, evictions are even more rampant now. Entire, like places where it was bulldoze and people were evicted. homelessness, and disease was starting to run rampant. And it's also worth mentioning, there's no record of how many people were evicted. They didn't start keeping record until after this, which after the worst of it, and it was still I think close to a quarter million evictions. The first First year they actually started keeping track of it. diseases like diphtheria, dysentery, our old friend cholera, smallpox and influenza were spreading. And all of these homeless, just refugees from the countryside, were going into cities and spreading these diseases. So disease was killing far more people than any of the starvation.
And this is around the same time and civil advice was figuring out that we needed to wash our hands. Yeah, but he listened.
Well, I mean, I don't even think they they couldn't even afford soap to wash their hands. They would probably, if they had soap, they would probably be eating it.
Like I read this article by a doctor the other day, it's like at least rinsing your hands is better than nothing.
Yeah. And just people were so weak from hunger. They couldn't bury their dead. Uh huh. And even then they stopped being able to afford actual burials. And people were just thrown in pits, based on census data, which we'd have no way of knowing how many people actually died. They estimate 1 million people died mostly disease. Yeah, just the stark reality and just the uncaring net lands of the government finally got picked up by the press. And there was global outrage. rightly so. Yeah, yeah. They were getting they started to get donations for Irish Louie from as far away as Australia, and even Native Americans and enslaved people from America were sending their money to Ireland, Jesus Christ. Of course, they were at the pope gave money. The Queen only gave 2000 pounds and even the Sultan of Turkey sent aid to Ireland. And another part of this is, which is what we learned about the only reason we learned about in America was because of the immigrations. During this time during these years, about 1.5 million Irish people immigrated to elsewhere. That's roughly as many as the left Ireland in the previous 50 years. Hmm, passage wasn't cheap. So everyone who was coming over over was either wealthy enough that they could afford passage and we're just trying to get out of this or they have been evicted and some landlords actually paid for their passage to Canada, just so they wouldn't have like Angry evicted, poor people running around who would potentially come back and murder them and burn on their houses.
Can't blame them on that one.
Many went to candidate first because they couldn't be turned away because Canada was part of England at that time. Uh huh. And then after a while fearing Irish insurrection in Canada, they placed some heavy restrictions in 1847. About one fifth of the people who went to Canada died in the ships it was they had about 10 square feet per person. They were allotted like seven pounds of bread per week per passenger. So it wasn't great conditions. They were called coffin ships. And then once they get there, they'd be put on quarantine islands for a while more than half of Toronto at this point suddenly became Irish born. Toronto was a town of about 20,000 people in 1847 38,000 Irish men came to Toronto, she's Yeah, then the United States, which was slightly more expensive but was not really a better place to go to the US. Irish were about half of all the immigrants that came to America during these years. Previously, they'd been about a third. And they mostly stayed in the port cities because they were when they arrived, they were destitute, they'd spent all their money to get to America, they didn't have enough money to go inland or trying to farm in the West. They were just in these cities. And it may not surprise you. But immigrants were not popular because these were poor, and they were a different religion. And the older Irish immigrants hated the new ones, because a lot of the ones who can be previously were the wealthy Protestant ones, not the poor Catholic ones, they had to start differentiating themselves as being scotch Irish, or Ulster Irish, because they want to be lumped in with these poor people. And the American party started at this time or the no nothing movement, which was strongly opposed to immigration. Are you ready to hear something that's gonna sound shockingly familiar?
No, I'm done with all of this.
There's lots of conspiracy theories about how about the Catholics and they're trying to take over the world. There were gangs roving around beating up Irish immigrants. There were doctors and scientists who were saying that the Irish were racially inferior based on like their skull measurements and all of the other cutting edge not phonology of the time press sensationalized and heavily reported on crime from Irish neighborhoods, because they were bringing in crime and their diseases. And some of them I assume were good people.
Yeah, we have not gotten that much better. We have not,
not great times for them. But it was also not as bad as we think. Because there's some banking records that show that these people living in these awful slums and tenements were living there because it was cheap, not because that was all they could afford, because they were saving money trying to improve their lives and sending money back to Ireland. So other people could come over to America or the people that were staying there could actually you know, afford food so not all bad. Also, Australia was an option, but you know how people would get there
when they commit a crime. They'd be sent there. Yeah. All right. I thought I remembered there being thing that a lot of Irish people and
yeah, they would they would commit crimes in hopes of being sent to a penal colony colony in Australia, because they were so desperate to escape the hardships and starvation in Ireland.
How is that guy who robbed a bank for $1? Because he I think it was cancer treatments. Yeah. And he couldn't afford them without being in prison.
Lots of the sun's just hauntingly familiar. Hmm. Let's talk about some of the aftermath of all of this.
I don't wanna Ireland did end up having
a revolution. It failed miserably. They had no plan. Basically, it was all over the young extremists. I'm just knocking the moderates out of power, decided we're gonna have a revolution with no plan but the English had a plan and they arrested them and nothing really came of it. But they did come up with the Irish flag we know now it's based on the French tricolour with but with Irish colors. So that's where that flag came from. Trevelyan the gentleman who was so it's just excited about watching people starve to death got knighted and went on to have a career in civil service working in India, where the English also did nothing awful to the people, Native people.
No, no, we've never done anything bad to anybody.
No. Lots of people do now view the famine as a turning point in Irish history, because it crushed any trust they had in the government really started all of the stuff that led to the Easter rebellion. And all of the things that led to Irish independence. When here's some good news, though. Sure, Ireland is now an independent country. Yay. And in 2019, they gave food and support aid to roughly 130 countries and spent 80,000,008 sorry, 800 million euros on aid and relief for starvation. So they have remembered part of their history and are doing something to make sure it never happens again.
Wish we would do that.
Yeah. Instead of just repeating our history endlessly.
Uh huh. That's why we're here guys. To make sure you know this history and remember to not repeat it
except for when you're promoting our podcast. Absolutely. Repeat it then
your repeat all information about our podcast.
Yes, but don't repeat the history itself. Yeah, so for the plenty shit because I want to see someone with a horse testicle ambulant walking around someday
horse testicle amulet tattoo, just in case. Yep.
So are you ready for some questions? Yes. All right. Well, the fact that the blight started in America beyond the test now, will the fact that Ireland was exporting exporting food to England the entire time people were starving to death be on the test. Now, will the fact that the free market did not fix all of these problems beyond the test
the words free market wanting to be on the test? Yeah.
Well, the fact that current criticisms of Muslims were applied to Catholics during this time beyond the test
now, we can't admit that we're doing bad things. And
we'll a lot of the current propaganda against that Latin Americans work was also used against the Irish be on the test.
We are using this propaganda against every non white non English speaking group there is and we will never admit to it.
Yeah, this is the exact same shit. And you know what America is a better country for having that having the Irish in it. I'll say it's 100% a better country. And same thing with the Italians who also had the same problems. And every other immigrant group has improved America so much more than a any part of them have harmed it,
except for the first group, except for the first group who were like, Oh, look at these native americans want some blankets?
Yeah, let's we don't talk about them. That was the English. And they just I don't think do the English ever do anything, right?
Yeah, yeah. I love England. I haven't been there since Brexit. So I'm Scottish. So I'm probably part of the problem. Probably. That was the potato famine.
You thought you were gonna Run us so over time and go crazy and how what are we at? timewise?
What our 28
so I stuck to my time pretty well.
There I'm sure is a lot of mine You can cut out that's just me going What the fuck? What the fuck? So?
So what did you learn? I learned? Oh, I was gonna add something two years from the research I was originally doing. Yeah, the whole luck of the Irish thing came from the prejudice against Irish people following them the whole like they're lazy blah blah blah bullshit. They started moving west and they started finding gold. People were like there's no way Irish people are smart enough and hard enough workers who actually discovered this, so there must be some kind of magical creatures or something helping them or they're just extremely lucky hence the luck of the Irish.
Wow. Yeah. So the luck of the Irish is actually a racial slur
originally. Yeah, for sure. Wow.
It's everything we say just a racial slur.
Well, we're white So probably Damn it. But what did I learn? I didn't know about the cornmeal thing. I didn't know that they were like, let's just send them a bunch of shit. They don't know how to cook and watch them starve to death even faster, but like by tricking them into thinking they haven't they have help. Not that that happens anymore. Well, that's the crazy thing.
It was actually helpful. Eventually they just didn't think it through at first.
Yeah. What's something you learned that like
people weren't washing their hands until I was well into my childhood?
Yeah, like seriously? Like that means our parents were born when doctors weren't really mandated to wash their hands
that explains so much about our parents.
No, I don't think so. No.
So where can they find us on social media?
We are at on the test pod on twitter at on the test pod on Instagram facebook.com slash on the test pod. You can also just search for Will This Be On the Test on Facebook our image at the moment as a statue doing a facepalm We're also at the test pod.com or wherever books are sold,
we should probably change that because you're not supposed to touch your face and we're supposed to be sending good examples.
I mean, he's made of rock and he's been like that for centuries. Oh, okay. I never realized how much I pull my lip when I'm trying to think though.
Oh, I've realized like, every time I'm reading something on a computer screen, I put my elbow on the desk and put my hand on my chin and then I chew on that little space between my thumb and
forefinger, and you're even worse off because you have a full beard and mustache. Yeah, just go like wash your face real fast. Uh huh. So don't touch your face. Kids. You do it 10,000 times a day as it is. Yeah.
So I guess on that note, Class dismissed.
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