Will This Be on the Test? Transcripts
Hi, everybody, and welcome to Will This Be On the Test? I'm Maddie. I'm Austin. And we're here today to talk to you not just about things you didn't learn in school or only partially learned in school, but should have. We're here specifically to talk about black history because it is Black History Month.
Yes, it is. And we've been doing something that episodes on and off. And I think this is definitely an important one to do. Because these are definitely things we did not learn about until like we were adults, and in some cases we didn't learn about until this week.
Yeah. We always talked about some basic civil rights stuff, and of course, slavery in school, but it was always there were slaves. Then white people stopped slavery. And then there was Martin Luther King, Jr. But he was helped by
JFK. And then there was never racism again.
You have the 15th amendment allowed everybody to vote and it was perfect after that.
Yeah, no complications, certainly not things going on even to this day.
Yeah. And when it comes to the Civil Rights Movement we've really only ever heard about Rosa Parks, who was not the only person to the bus, the refusal to move to the back of the bus and Martin Luther King, who was not the only major civil rights leader. We didn't learn about Clara Luper, who I talked about way back on episode one. We didn't learn about Malcolm X, who I don't to this day know much about, but I know he was pretty important deal. Yes, he was. I read a little bit about him. And I was like, I don't think I want to cover that this week, not because it's not important to cover it. But I really kind of was drawn back to covering another woman who was involved with this because we literally only ever heard about Rosa Parks, while other men were thrown into the story of the civil rights movement. Like what was one john lewis? john lewis? Yeah, john lewis is like Austin superhero.
Everybody read March by john lewis. It's a graphic novel series, but it's amazing.
So we are here today talk about that kind of stuff. Do we have anything else you want to cover before we jump into it though?
I mean, I think What kind of rants and we've been on this week?
Well, this is the week where they officially didn't kick Trump out of office.
We are shocked that the republican senate decided to not vote him out of office.
Yeah. And that's I'm not saying that's not a problem. But the bigger problem I have is the absolute refusal to hear witnesses the statement that a president cannot be impeached or cannot get in trouble for anything they do. As long as they think their reelection will help the country. We have set a very dangerous precedent. Now, we've talked about back in our impeachment episode, which I think was episode eight, that there are really no rules when it gets to the Senate in the impeachment process, but we have no set the precedent that the President cannot commit crimes. And then I don't mean that he doesn't commit crimes if if they cannot be recognized as crimes so long as he thinks will help him get reelected
America is crazy broken, and also now he's kicking people out of their jobs who actually had the guts to speak against him which is not an easy thing to do whether or not you agree with someone Yeah,
so he's basically purging all the dissidents.
Yeah we're kind of looking at like a we are very clearly kind of senior dictatorship start right now.
This is not great.
So guys if I suddenly am no longer here it means that the government has been listening to us and they've come after me
the double scandal because those listen those listeners have not been reporting our statistics and I'm very mad at these listeners we didn't know about this is Episode
21. We've been doing this for just for finally Gosh, if this
if this podcast was a person that could drink or 21 weeks Dude, what age did you start drinking?
I'm not 21 weeks when I got two weeks is just over five months old when you really shouldn't be drinking anything that's not you know, made for babies whether from a boob or
paluma is made for babies. There's a baby bottle.
So last week and the week before I was drinking wine today it's hot chocolate with kalua in it which is kind of my new favorite thing. I've always liked coffee and Hulu up, but I don't want to drink coffee late in the day because I'm already a diagnosed Insomniac.
Yeah, it's every once in a while, like, you know, I'll kinda like the candle waking up at like two in the morning, and I'll just look over and she'll just be staring at the ceiling and just kind of awake and it's like, oh, no,
I know all of the tricks. I've done everything that doctors have ever told me to do, and my brain just doesn't want to go to sleep. Have you tried opium? That's illegal. Fine, but we can where we can start growing some poppies just kind of see if things work out.
Poppy. Poppy. We are in Kansas City and the Chiefs did win the Super Bowl. Oh, yeah, we did. Watch it because we are not sports people.
No, but we did have that really great day we talked about we ended up not going to IKEA but that's the only thing that we didn't do because we got everything else. We're like, you know what? We're sleepy. So we went home we ate our doughnuts from hurts doughnuts. You got some sponsor us and we ordered in Chinese food because we knew Chinese was not getting as much business that night and our Chinese food shut up in 20 minutes. It was great. Yeah. Which means that like that Chinese places about nine minutes away, so it was like boom, boom,
boom. And it was real good. And it was great. And of course, you know, chiefs one we had a big parade. There was only one police chase down the parade route. Oh my god. And there's a video circulating of a guy trying to climb up into a tree tree, but his pants are falling down. Yeah, he falls out of the tree. It's really funny. And I think everybody should watch it.
And then he got arrested because he was being belligerent. And then there was another guy who was arrested for being on a horse. Yeah, he
was trying to ride a horse into the parade.
I heard that he's actually like a legit cowboy. Hey, I'm
glad we're talking about cowboys. Why is that? Because I'm gonna get into my topic now. Because you gave me the perfect segue
actually wasn't playing. It was not
like I'm playing like, I'm playing chess and I'm five moves ahead,
but I just played the only move in this entire segue.
So really, I guess you want so my talk? Epic epic this week for Black History Month is the Wild West not the Will Smith movie.
Are you trying to tell me that they can't see the last moments of someone's life if they if they put a camera through their eyeballs or something?
Nope. There's no there were no giant robot spiders. You know
Will Smith did that movie instead of the matrix? Oh, Will Smith, he was offered me Oh, and he was like, No, I think Well, well, this is gonna make more money and be a better movie. The fool
but I see where Jaden gets it from.
Oh, I just forgot the other guy's name not Neo, the guy who brings him in
Laurence Fishburne. Yeah. Laurence Fishburne is character uh. Morpheus
Morpheus was was supposed to be white. And Leah and Neo was supposed to be black and I think it does make it a better movie to have that switched. Not because the hero should be white but because like he's the he's the dumb character who doesn't really know what's up.
And I think if you want like they're going for a more serious movie and Will Smith would have like men and black to that one up and just be like, whoa,
oh my gosh, that's very true.
And like with Neo, it was more of a subdued thing. And They had like the more serious temper to it. So let's get back on topic. I'm talking about the Wild West and the fact that did you know that about one quarter of the Cowboys in the wild west were African American?
Yes. But only because I came across that when I was trying to find a subject.
So cool. So yeah, we both like the same stuff. And about one third of all cowboys were non white.
I did not know that. Yeah. Like I actually assumed that if there were non white Cowboys, they were going to be Latino. Like lots of black cowboys.
And I watched a shit ton of westerns growing up, I can name on like one hand, all of the black people I saw in westerns, Blazing Saddles, Blazing Saddles, is one Django Unchained haven't ever seen that it's pretty good.
It's pretty gonna be upset me though I couldn't guarantee it's
guaranteed, so it's ultra violent. And then one other character was deitz. In Lonesome Dove, played by Danny Glover. I haven't seen that. I love Lonesome Dove. It's really good.
I didn't grow up on Western I didn't see Blazing Saddles until I was 25. Dude, I love westerns and again,
no black people in any of them. And that's why I was so shocked. I was just like what? And it makes perfect sense when you stop and think about it. Uh huh. Because I think you're putting something out you're just
okay. No, there's just I found a I'm easily distracted guys I do I have ADHD and I noticed that there was a bump on the side of the table. And now I've noticed that there are five bumps and seven no way more and they're actually like tiny holes and I don't know what they're from so I was poking one sorry I actually am listening so how many kids with
a DD does it take to change a light
bulb? I don't remember how to ride a bike so I can't finish the joke.
bikes. You ruined my punch line. Congratulations sir
but I am putting out to the universe that you can in fact forget how to ride a bike
yet you can. So um, there are lots of terrible hurting cultures in Africa. And slaves that could hurt cattle and care for livestock were pretty valuable in like these areas. So when they were brought to America, they were a valued commodity in Texas in the southwest because They knew how to take care of these animals. Uh huh. So and when white Americans started settling in Spanish, Texas, which by the way, they just started showing up their Americans for the illegal immigrants coming into Texas. What? Yeah, what? Yeah, so the Spanish Texas heroes and the West African cattle herding techniques kind of merged to form what we think of is the modern cowboy. So rough around 1825, about 25% of the types of population was black, and by 19, by 1960, was about 30%. And the civil war happened in 1860. Yeah. Yeah, I'm bad at numbers. So well, all of the young white man from Texas were busy being like the bad guys and Confederates in this chapter of history. The black slaves had to do more and more of the work on these branches, and they became a lot better and can do more stuff and became very, very efficient cowboys during this time. And also because they're just there wasn't barbed wire, so cattle were just kind of roaming freely. A lot of them escaped and There were millions of cattle by just roaming Texas by the time everyone came back to their house. They're just wild cows roaming roaming the plains of Texas.
Now, do you think wild cows get to be like, aggressive like buffalo can be or they're just, they're just like cows who are like I
feel lost. They're just, they're just regular old cows, you haven't been claimed by anybody
I was in for each once. Not wasn't for each for a while. And one time two cows escaped from our little ranch area. And it was really cute watching them run up the street, like I know it's dangerous and stuff. But it was just a pair of cows who looked so pleased with themselves and they were like skipping up the street while their owner cheats death.
So they're all of these cattle in Texas that weren't worth a lot of money there because, you know, there's a lot of them, but you could drive them up north to where the railroads met, and you could sell them in the north for so much more than what they're worth in Texas. So they're starting these big cattle drives, but they didn't have enough cowboys to do it. So they had to turn into their recently freed black slaves and hire them and pay them for what at the time was competitive wages to get them to actually do this. And for them, it was better work than just being a farm hand or like a delivery boy.
I just realized I had never known before what cattle drives were for.
Yeah, that's what cattle drives report.
It's like in my head, I think it was like a south for the winter. So and my only Western movie I grew up with was city slickers for the love of God.
Yeah. So there's some evidence just made based on contemporary accounts that the the black cowboys were paid as well as their white counterparts. But they were expected to a lot more work, do the more dangerous work and really take on extra jobs during these drives. And they were paid three times more than the Hispanic and Indian cowboys. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So they have the dangerous jobs like breaking horses, which is like basically making them calm the hell down when someone's writing on them.
I assume that's for our audience's benefit. Exactly. You know what that is?
Yeah, that's where audiences benefit. I'm defining terms.
Like I said, I didn't know what a cattle drive was.
I'm defining terms just like Plato and you define everything.
callbacks just don't start with Well, actually, it's I'm actually
I'm actually it's I'm actually
but then the joke doesn't work. Where does a man get his water from?
Oh, well, surely. Bravo. Bravo. You have bested me again, sir. Again. Oh, also they are they will also work as cooks and they were expected to perform and sing songs and Tupac musical instruments. Oh, Jesus Christ. So I this leads me to a point. So all those old classic cowboy songs were in fact written and performed. Black performers and basically all of country music started with this. So you Country Music Association assholes who decided that, you know, Old Town road wasn't country because he was a rapper. Like learn your history dumb asses.
Yeah. And there are very few black country singers. I don't think it's because there are Black Country fans or because there aren't people who would be good at it just because they're kind of locked out still.
Yeah, it's there's I wasn't doing my research. They're talking about how in rodeos, there were huge racial barriers in rodeos. They wouldn't let like black rodeo performers perform for a long time and they had to bust into it by being better than everybody else. So it was I didn't go into that too much. But it's I think there's a very similar thing happened with country music, in which you know, the fans would just throw a hissy fit back in the Jim Crow South. It's like or even like, you know, certain cowboys we know today.
Mitch McConnell is not a cowboy. Don't let Have that is a turtle boy.
No, he's a turtle man. are we calling him a man? He's a turtle. Oh, so also this came up, I couldn't find anything about them. But there were lots of accounts of women of color who were also cowboys and on these drives doing like all of this ranging work that you did that, like no one else would do
now, maybe you didn't find this but were they all kept called cowboys? Or did they call the women Cowgirls? Or is that more modern Keats defying of
it? I have no idea about that. That sounds like a kids defying. And by the way, there was I was watching an interview with a with a with an older man he was talking about Yeah, it's like, they're like, you know, everybody called called them boys because you know, it was the racist south. And so that's like, they'll go over those cowboys. So the Cowboys were probably come from
Toledo cowboys actually originated as a racist term.
Caliphate originated as a racist term
name kind of like Great White hope, but nobody realized that. Somebody accused someone of using it in a racist way. Yeah, I can Remember, it was actually it was it? I think it was like knowledge.
It was. I'm gonna say some ESPN commentator brought it up and then
it was something relating to Obama. Remember if memory serves? I think it would be I think it was referring to was it Mitt Romney? He ran against the second time. Yeah. I think it was referring to Mitt Romney. Yeah. Mitt Romney, the one guy who switched over to vote against Trump
to we are what the fuck is going on? Did someone set like this? Did someone like set history to random? its history shuffle. I feel
like romney is like true neutral, because like he will see this and see this is bad. I should vote this way. But then he also will tie his dog to the roof of his car.
Yeah, Yeah, he is. Mitt Romney. I never thought I'd see the day where it's like, I think good for you. Senator Romney. I never thought I'd say that sentence.
I do like that he is in a position of enough wealth and power that Trump probably can't fire him,
but he can't fire a senator. He can try.
Yeah. And honestly, if he has the power, he seems to think he has a Yeah,
and of course, they did all they did all of that classic cowboy shirt that you saw in the movies that like you know, running through stampedes fighting the Comanche because they actually did that. And like, you know, rounding up strays all that stuff. Oddly, they weren't discriminated against that much by their peers on the trail. That love who actually wrote his memoirs about like a black cowboy, who wrote about his life on the trail said they were always ready to share their last ration with a less fortunate fellow companion and always assisted each other in the mending tried many trying situations that were continually coming up in a cowboys life. Okay, but off the trail they would revert to their cultural norms, especially around women. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, just lots of like, I got to show how much I hate the black people. So I can impress this lady
just say, you know, folks, Nowadays most women don't find that impressive.
No, they do not.
And I know we don't want to see a photo of your penis. We also will not Find that impressive, especially you, Chad, Chad.
And of course they still had to deal with like no segregated institutions in towns when they'd ride through. And black cowboys were just straight up banned from brothels.
Now were the brothel workers all white,
you know it? Probably not there were probably separate the black brothels for these cowboys. Well, no, I'm talking. I'm not talking about the ones that they could go to. I'm talking about the actual workers in one single brothel. Oh, I mean, come on. Just look at what you know about modern people. No, they were not all. Uh huh. Yeah. And so there was still those problems. They were allowed to gamble. They were banned from brothels, but they could absolutely go into gambling facilities. And of course, you know, very few of them ever rose to leadership positions, because, again, lots of lots of people, if they met them on the trail who they weren't part of like the group they worked with, would not respect a black leader of this group. They probably wouldn't be able to negotiate things as well as a will and accepted in these roles. circles as a white person would have been.
Yeah has nothing to do with how good of a negotiator they were. It just came down to your skin color. It's not the same as mine.
Yeah, they just wouldn't they would not be listened to. So eventually the age of the cattle drives died because railroads made it further south. So they didn't have to drive cattle all the way up from Texas to Kansas, to be loaded onto trains and shipped off. barbed wire was invented. So ranching became feasible and easier. So you needed fewer people to do all this work. as that happened. They were slowly driven out of ranching, because generational wealth, and it was just all of these rich white people buying all the good grazing spots, and if your hands were needed, so they just kept on the white workers and the black ones had to leave. Lots of them did go north and bought farms. There's actually a community in Kansas called nikka dhimmis, which was founded by these people who are leaving to go north and farm in Free Territory.
Believe it or not, I actually did learn about nicotine. It's not when I was in school my first year working in schools I was a second language And I happened to be in a history class that was doing a year in Kansas history. And nikka de mis was the first all black town in Kansas and Kansas, believe it or not, at the time was actually pretty welcoming. Yep. It's the time
Kansas. Kansas has gone through some weird shifts and changes.
Kansas historically has been a very chill place. It's like the last round back in years really where
it's like, I think like right up until Reagan, we were well not like progressive, progressive, but like Midwestern progressive.
Yeah, I mean, we had all the jazz clubs me memory serves. We had drag clubs before it was cool. Yeah.
I mean, we've got some, I mean, we've got some we've got some gay bars that have been along around here long before it was acceptable to have them open. Mm hmm. So yeah, other than the Missouri side. Yeah.
Yeah, see Kansas, and I remember it might have had the drive.
If I remember correctly. There is an executive order on Twitter. That proclaimed Kansas City is part of Kansas. That's true.
That's true. Kansas City is part of Kansas now. Yep. Have you seen the shirts racy the Kansas State of Kansas with a picture of Missouri on it?
That's it. Everyone I know who's a kanzen thought that was hilarious but the people I work with who live in Missouri were so mad.
My god, I love the it's a reasonable mistake to make not when you're the president, and it's been all over the news for the last week and
every time he's here he makes that same stupid mistake.
And he's supposed to have people who check things before he goes on to the Twitter's but he does it on his golden toilet. So
yeah, it's like okay,
can you tell we've had a really hard time with all of this impeachment stuff. Like we were not surprised by the and
not surprised by any of it. I'm just like, hearing him talk. Every time I hear him say a word. I get madder and madder
although there's that great photo of him where you can see the tan line on his face, which prove that it is a spray on tan that he does him Self. Not only is it uneven, but it is in the front of his hair and it is glorious. He looks okay. He looks like somebody's grandma who like is like not being well taken care of. He looks like a unfortunate grandmother. He looks like Jabba the Hutt if he's gotten really pale.
Yeah. So that was Cowboys, those cowboy part. Now I'm going to talk about like, you know, the law men because there were black law man. And more importantly, I'm gonna talk about a very specific guy, who is a complete and total badass about Bass Reeves. All right. He was the first black deputy Marshal in the West. He was born a slave in 1938. And when the civil war started, his master, joined the Confederacy and brought bass along with him reappear at some point during this he escaped draft the Indian territories. Legend says that he has mastered gotten a fight over game of cards, and bass beat him near to death and ran off in the Indian territories. Were He lived until the end of the Civil War and the passage of the 13th amendment. And he lived with the native peoples there and learn their languages and learn the area. And which came in really handy because he moved back to Arkansas had 11 kids and the US Marshal there heard about him because he knew the languages in this area, and was considered a generally brave guy who was already kind of a badass. So he recruited him in 1975, to be one of his deputies. He worked for 32 years in this territory. So are you ready to hear some numbers?
I'm never ready for numbers, especially enough to add them together. And anyway,
he arrested 3000 felons nice in 32 years. That's That's impressive. He, he only killed about 14 people, all of them in self defense, all of them justifiably. At one point he had to arrest his own son. He was being accused of murdering his wife and he was found guilty and convicted. Then he served his time in Leavenworth and lived in Kansas. Leavenworth is an intense as a man He was never wounded. He did though. One time his hat was shot off. And one time, I don't know how the fuck this happened, his belt was shot off. That's impressive. That's so impressive. He could not read, but he had a good memory. So it gets someone to read these warrants to him. And he was able to remember which one was which. So he'd be able to recite the information from each war and hand them off to the necessary people without having to look like an idiot. Very cool. So yeah, he couldn't read, but he found a workaround. Uh huh. He was also because every time he learned about the law enforcement official, he was a master of disguise.
Did he dress up as a woman and get people to do something? No, he
just was like, you know, outlaws or just like, you know, this escaped convicts. He just wrecked lots of things. One time he dressed up as a tramp, and had a big floppy hat with three bullet holes in it.
Are we allowed to say tramp anymore. He dressed
up as a vagrants transients hobo hobo, he dressed up as a hobo.
I've actually looked that one up a pair of That one's still okay. I it makes me feel weird.
It's like if we can go Charlie, please just like Charlie Chaplin at the big hat and he went to this outlaws mother's house and said, Oh my gosh, I'm being chased by the law. They shot at me. And she said, You know, I've got two sons who are on the run to hang out here. Maybe you can hook up with them so that the boys arrived. And he they got they got one great and while they're sleeping, he arrested them in their sleep and walk them to 28 miles back to the camp where they'd been like staging like looking for them. Poor Mama. Mom did follow him for three miles while yelling at him. Poor Mama. This is this guy was impressive. He also might have been the basis for the Lone Ranger. Okay, yeah, he was a fashionable dresser. He wrote a big white horse everywhere. He did a lot. He did lots of disguises. He performed all of these near superhuman feats. He was never hurt and a lot of the men he captured and sent to jail, went to jail in Detroit, where The Lone Ranger was first produced and they got these stories from. So it's reasonable to think that they heard about this law man who arrested them from these prisoners, who then went on to live their lives in Detroit.
My dad loved the Lone Ranger. Yeah, we used to have this lone ranger doll action figure in my house that I gather is worth like, a lot of money now, but because I don't remember if it was after my dad, but someone played with it and broke his legs. Not his legs, poor silver.
His legs went away. So yeah, he didn't retire until 1907. And in which, at what point he just became a normal police officer instead of a marshal, because Oklahoma was a state there were territories he needed to like, you know, go through to arrest people. And he died in 1910. And he was such a bigger badass than any john wayne character. Joey asked john wayne. There is like what was what important point when my favorite movies it was just True Grit with john wayne like this Tubby guy going off into the Indian territories from Arkansas just like Bass Reeves and doing a shittier job at it than him. Uh huh. And it is lauded as one of the most epic Tales of the Wild West when in reality there was just this better guy with a bitchin mustache look up a picture of bathrooms because it was a finance mustache.
I feel it Bass Reeves run a point now where we're trying to find these historic stories. Why haven't we made a movie of this guy
there actually are they are making a movie of battery. Are they Yeah, I was looking. But I was looking at Wikipedia. It's like It's like in production a documentary about bath Reeves documentary that I'm talking about a full like yeah, we could. Oscar film here. Oh my god. You just put like, I don't know. Who was he? That could be bathrooms.
He said he has a great mustache. What's his chin like? This is a pretty good chin. Are we talking to see look more like a Jamie Foxx or a Donald Glover type?
Oh Mike. Yeah, he's more of a Donald Glover type.
Donald Glover and way more i think
i think Donald Glover could be bath raves, okay, because he was a he was a charming guy and you know who Donald Glover is. He's a charming guy. He's a charming guy and a fancy dresser. So that's what that's that's my stuff. That's what I had is pretty short. But which sounds fine, because you have a lot. Are you ready for some questions? I am. Now these are just questions about what will be on the test. So will the fact that one quarter of cowboys were black the other test? No. Will the fact that the left Ranger was probably placed up based on black guy be on the test? Maybe
I feel like that's what we're taking like a film studies classroom. Yeah.
Well, the fact that we've had multiple law enforcement officers use community theater levels of disguise to capture criminals, and it worked great every time beyond the test
should be but I'm not even sure what tests we're talking about. I don't know. test to get into your police program. Yeah.
And well, the fact that the Cowboys were less problematically racist than he liked to think they were beyond the test.
I think Yeah, they're going to talk about Like, look at the good white people, though.
Yeah, what we do? Well, well, well, the fact they were more accepting of African Americans working with them than the Country Music Association is no test. No, sir. That is my stuff about cowboys.
Well, I was trying to find a between a few different ones today. And one of them there wasn't enough about the guy for me to cover him as an entire episode. I just want to mention, mention him real fast vaccines were brought to this country by a black slave, really named own SMS. I'm not gonna pronounce it. But basically, there was smallpox coming through. And he was talking about how, where he comes from. If you take the pus from somebody who's infected and rub it into an open wound and somebody who's not, they will either have it for a shorter time, not as bad or they will not get it at all. And he was owned by Oh, I just blinked on it. One of
the really bad guys
who didn't want to believe him but then finally someone did and that's how they created the smallpox vaccine. Because of a black slave in Boston, who I gather later went on to at least buy part of his freedom, but they don't know much about his life beyond the fact that he brought that here. He was smarter than a lot of people and then managed to get out of it. I'm sure I will remember like, halfway through my story who owned him because it was it was one of the really bad guys. My mother. What?
Yeah, cotton mother,
cotton mother and him. Cotton math. Okay. Think about the fact that we learn about cotton master in school, but we don't learn about the slave who brought vaccines and said, Hey, cotton mouth or let me help you. And cutting out there was like, I can't get things from a slave.
Okay, seriously, I don't think you could construct a more villainous white guy name than Cotton Mather.
And it's sad too, because cotton is kind of a nice name. It makes me think of someone who would be nice and then fluffy and white. No, he was a dick.
That's all I'm talking about. Are we talking about
today I'm talking about Fannie Lou Hamer. You ever heard of Fannie Lou Hamer?
I have never heard that name.
See, that's the thing. When I talked about Claire looper, she was called the mother of the civil rights movement. Fannie Lou Hamer is also called that sometimes this is a person without whom much of what happened in Mississippi never could have happened. And we never heard about her. Fannie Lou was born on October 6 1917, the youngest of 20 children. What 20 same two parents for all 20
Oh my god. It's like so cool, just classic 20th child,
yet classic, 20th child, you know, they have livestock, but a bunch of them were poisoned. And it was likely done by a white supremacist in the area, because her family was actually gaining some independence. And he didn't like that, but they were never able to prove anything. So they had to move to sunflower County, Mississippi in 1919 to be sharecroppers and wd marloes. plantation. sharecropping is basically you work really, really hard for a share of crops. You don't get paid. Really. It is slavery. That's just what it is
slavery and all but name.
Exactly. She began picking cotton at the age of six, but she also got to attend to school provided for sharecroppers, children between seasons. She really loved learning. She was actually a pretty good reader. I mean, thinking about her being six years old and going to school only a couple months out of the year. She loves poetry. She was really good at spelling these. But she had to leave school at 12 to support her parents in their old age. Because remember, she was the youngest 20 let's say they had their first kid at 18 and had a kid every single year. By the time she's 12 they're 50. And this is early 1900s 50.
Oh man, so
she had to leave school at 12 to support her family because I've seen like
people who look people who are 30 and like this time period, and they look like they are 50 I can't imagine what 50 year olds look like. Especially foreign
So by the age of 13, she was picking over 200 pounds of cotton every day, despite having a disfigured leg from polio. Oh man. In 1945 she married Perry who went my path heymer. He was a tractor driver on the plantation. They stayed on the plantation for 18 years. And in addition to working the farm, Hamer was the timekeeper because she was the only one who could read right? Well, the couple never had their own biological children. They had had several miscarriages and then in 1961, at the age of 44 1961, think about what surgeries were happening to black people. Oh no. She went in to have a tumor removed and they gave her a hysterectomy. She did not consent to this hysterectomy. This was extremely common as a part of a forced sterilization program primarily targeting people of color, but also people with any kind of disability or something else considered that like even just not being very bright. They would women would go in for procedures and be sterilized.
It's it's some it's unbelievable to think that this is happening like 60 years ago in this country.
Yeah. 1961 like our parents were alive when this is happening. Yeah, it's really not long ago, she coined the term Mississippi appendectomy to describe this. We never learned about this in school. No, not a single word. Yeah, the couple ultimately did adopt two daughters, one of whom later died as an adult, because they brought her into the hospital and they refused her treatment because of who her mother was. Because of the advocacy her mother was doing. She had an internal hemorrhaging dead.
Wow, so much for that Hippocratic oath.
Uh huh. They adopted her two daughters after that. So they ended up adopting four total girls. Her for sterilization was the last straw and she joined the civil rights movement, ultimately becoming a powerful leader on August 31 1962. She went to Indianola, Mississippi to register to vote along with a bunch of other activists at the time. We didn't want about this in schools, what makes me really angry to keep black people from voting, you had to take a test they kept they called it
a literacy test. I remember hearing about these, I just never heard about the details of them.
Now a literacy test, you'd assume that you have to just read something right prove that you can read which is bad enough to begin with. No, she had to explain what de facto laws work. And she said, I note about as much as I have a facto law as a horse knows about Christmas Day. Now, how many people today do you think know what de facto laws are? I mean, I do but I also, you know, I work in a library. I am reasonably well educated, like 88% of people today have at least a high school diploma or GED and would not be able to get off the top of their head in any real way explain what a de facto law is. And they used that on people who they knew would be either illiterate or less educated to keep them from voting, which by the way was a felony and punishable by law as part of the Federal Government so they didn't pass their tests and she didn't pass her test. So on the way back, they were pulled over by the cops for their bus being too yellow. I
said there's trying to find excuse to pull them over and be assholes. Yeah,
and I gather you had to pay your fine before you were allowed to keep going. So the bus group pulled together all the money in their pockets, paid the fine kept going. And then she got home and her boss, the guy she was Caitlyn, she had lived on for decades, found out she'd gone to register to vote and told her he need to withdraw her registration because he didn't want black people voting. She looked at him and said, I didn't try to register for you. I tried to register for myself. Yeah, he fired her and immediately kicked off the plantation. But not her husband. He wasn't allowed to leave. He had to stay until the end of the sharecropping season. Wow. So she basically couch surfed for a few days knowing that people were after her and September 10. She and her friend were shot at 16 times and drive by, by, you know, white supremacist kkk members. Neither one of them was shot because they weren't good shots.
No, it's you have a usually the Walmart militia, not particularly good shots. They just have all the fancy toys to go with their gun.
And her family ultimately had to flee to a different county for three months, because the KKK was after her for trying to vote. But that shit doesn't deter her. No God, no. She had drawn the attention of local organizers who contacted her about becoming a full activist in their employ. It paid her $10 a week and was the only way her family could survive, because her husband was of course let go as well. And her former owner, Boss not owner took their land and their car to quote pay off their debts to him. They didn't know what goddamn thing we took. They actually didn't have like their own land. He took it. They had a car and he took it. Yeah. And this was in 1961,
not 1861. So they were living under de facto slavery.
Yes, or it's like 62 because of 1962 December 4, she went back to the courthouse to try to pass her test again. She failed it again. And she told the registrar All right, you're gonna see me in 30 days, you're gonna I'm gonna be here every 30 days until I pass she passed on January 10 1963, and was technically a registered voter. Technically, technically, except in order to vote, you also had to have to pull tax receipts. Now I couldn't really figure out exactly what a poll tax is, or at least how they could call it a tax because it is proving that you have paid the vote. Things like this still exist as of like, as if you're looking at Florida and April 2019 former felons have to have paid off all financial obligations relating to their sentence before being allowed to vote. So
that's I believe that's that sounds like it's,
it's against federal law. Yes,
yeah. But this is also Florida, where laws know to die. Well also much like whereas in your city or in Trump's America, there is no such thing as law. The rule of law is dead. I've been welding spikes on everything I own. A Welcome to the Thunderdome, bitches.
Yeah, all of us vote violates the 24th amendment. This particular poll tax was used primarily against black and Native American voters just as just as the test was used against black and Native American voters. But himer found a way to pay them got the receipts and blogged about during this time she became involved with the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. john lewis was in Yeah, and she was a part of this but she she taught classes for them. She gathered petitions to help people get money and other resources for impoverished black Southern families. She became a field secretary for voter registration with a primary goal of getting rid of the barriers to voting that she had experienced with them. Stupid screen where'd you do with them? She was traveling to a pro citizenship conference with it when the group she was what stopped in Wyoming why why No, no Mississippi and refused service as a cafe. So obviously the police come get them to leave but one of them decided he was to write down the officers plate numbers. The officer sees this and starts arresting everybody. Now by most accounts Kaymer was not actually in the cafe but still on the bus. So she just happened and she comes out. She's like, Can we go like, Can I leave like what's happening here, so she gets arrested two. In the jail. Two, police officers held her down and ordered two of the other inmates to beat her with a blackjack, which is basically a billy club. If she screamed, they had them beat her harder. Then the cops began to grope her. When she resisted that they pulled up her dress, exposing everything for the breath from the breasts down so everybody would have to look at her naked body. Now that's bad enough. Now I want you to imagine this in the 1960s others in the group retreated similarly, including a 15 year old girl who had just not said Sir, when asked a question. Yeah, she just said yes or no, not sir. So she was beaten with it ended up the life too.
Okay. I know, shocked. Silence is not great for a podcast, but that's really all I can muster right now about this.
And one of the people from the leadership conference kind of was like Something's Weird. They haven't checked in so he kind of found what's going on. He was Down the check on them. He got beaten too. He wasn't even arrested. He just showed up at the station and was beaten like this. So she took over a month to recuperate and was never able to fully recover. She had permanent kidney damage, leg damage and damage from this beating and this after being arrested for being on a bus near a person who was taking down officer plate numbers. Wow. But she went on, and organized voter registration drives including the 1963 freedom ballot. At the time, African Americans made up half of the population who could vote in Mississippi, but only five to 6% were actually registered. The freedom ballot, which we never learned about in school was a mock election with police with polling stations set up throughout the area. When polling ended almost 79,000 votes have been cast four times the number of black people registered to vote. They achieved all four of their goals which were protesting exclusion of black voters by the Mississippi Democratic Party educating black pickup Educating black Mississippians about registration and voting proving that black people were interested in voting and perhaps most importantly, they drew the attention of the federal government regarding how voter rights were being suppressed. We never learned about this.
When we learned about the 15th Amendment, which allowed people to vote, leaders were told they were allowed to vote. That was it. We fixed everything. White people fixed it. Yep. That was in 1870, almost 100 years before she was having to do this. And we never learned about voter suppression in this way. We talked about it on the news now. And it is still,
like, for example, Kansas, we have the ID laws. We have now globally renowned asshat Chris kobach is our Secretary of State's sheezus which he's still running for senator. So
he's so pretty, man. He, okay.
Hi, my grandpa when he was about 80 we were at we're at a little we're at the VFW for some barbecue after the kitschy little Norman Rockwell Fourth of July parade here.
Chris kobach comes up to my grandpa who's wearing his US Army hat and starts talking to him. And the second my grandpa realizes who he is starts swearing at him and just cussing him out and followed him around the VFW berating him for a good 15 minutes. So, I'm very proud of my grandfather and crispo box an asshole.
Your grandpa is somebody that should be taught in history classes. I shit that he did, like, yeah, you know, going into places that were refusing service to fellow servicemen because they were black and me like Well, I guess I'm not eating here either piece. Yeah,
he was cool. He was he was from. He was from rural Minnesota. And when he was drafted into the army, he got sent into the, the very heart of the Jim Crow South and he thought, Well fuck this noise
because they like he barely seen black people before them. And I know when he got down there in his first experience with people Who were not like him? And he was like, Wait a second. No, they're not that not like me. It's like there's still people. Yeah. Yeah. Your grandpa was cool. I thought I didn't get to know him before he got sick.
He was pretty cool. Yeah, so that was anyway, Chris kobach was the guy pushing for a lot of that stupid voter stuff here in America. So keep your eyes on him. And if you do see him somewhere, follow them around and berate him for 15 minutes.
Isn't Chris kobach people, the ones who because of you out later, yeah, or that yoader. That was that was kobach. Yeah, often had the audacity to turn away from them during the parade. And that resulted in them yelling customers at him in front of three year olds.
Yep, it's okay. I should have followed them for 15 minutes yelling at them as family tradition dictates
next time next time. They have these ID requirements we have now you have to pay for an ID that is paying to vote Yeah, plain and simple. It also means that if you don't speak English as a first language, you're gonna have a hard time filling out the paperwork. So we're making sure that you
can vote and also if you want to go to the D The that is hours out of your day during the work day. And lots of people, lots of you know, poor people don't have the ability to take half a day off. Just to do this.
Well, especially around here. We don't have public transit. So you have to drive to the driver's license place without a driver's license. Yep. To get your driver's license that you have to pay for. Yeah,
it's even worse in rural areas where sometimes you have to go a couple of counties over
huh? Anyway, voter suppression is still a thing and it is illegal at the federal level. Do not allow it Do not just say it's okay. It's not okay. Anyway. Following the freedom ballot, she became integral in Freedom Summer Did you ever hear about Freedom Summer?
No, the only summers I've heard about where the summer of 69 and the Summer of Love, which I think the same summer it probably is. I'm not sure
though. This is also called the Mississippi summer project. This was a voter registration drive. Over 700, mostly white volunteers joined to the African American organizers to fight voter intimidation and discrimination. If we learned about this, this is what they would have talked about. Look at the white people look how they saved everybody know we I mean, I'm glad that they went and helped out. That's good. And I'm and she very much believes it for Fannie Lou believes that this would not succeed if it was just black people fighting for it. It needed to be everybody, and the rights that she fought for were not just for black people, but for anybody who was being repressed. That was her big thing. But that's what we're going to talk about and look at all the white people who saved them, just like we don't talk about the fact that we didn't allow Holocaust victims to come over here until people noticed that we weren't doing it anyway. They were met with an insane amount of violence from the KKK and law enforcement, including beatings false arrests, and at least three murders. At least, the murders are actually like full blown True Crime disappearing people stuff. Oh, and they did find the bodies.
Oh, I think I heard about this. Okay, now that you may was
too white Northerners and one black guy who lived there. Yes. investigating a burn church. Yeah. And then they just poof. Yeah, they were found. And kkk did it. Yeah. But this event this summer helped pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. And we never heard about it. We were taught that the I Have a Dream speech did it by itself. No, no, I'm not saying that. That's just an important I'm saying it's not magic.
Nope. This was this was one event that was very well publicized in a Anca in the middle of a series of events in the middle of an ongoing series of events to try and get equal rights.
Now, I want to quickly mention that the majority of the participants in this were college students. So these are young people, which means we need to stop being mad at young people for wanting things to change. Because every time things have changed, it's largely been the young people who changed it. And it doesn't mean that you know, older generations, you intentionally did something wrong. You use the information you had at the time to try to make the Better. We have new information now, we still have to make things better. So we look at a lot of things that are kind of good now but we look at where they came from or like, oh, okay, so that actually was a big improvement. And at the time with information they had they thought that was the best way to stop harping on young people for trying to make things change guys, Fannie, Lou then went on to help found the Mississippi freedom Democratic Party, which was in response to the regular democratic party who was all white. Again, a quick pause. This is something republicans like to use against the democrats that we were the super racist ones in the 60s. parties of all both parties have gone back and forth. Sometimes Democrats have been conservative sometimes Republicans have been conservative. Some of times we've been super racist sometimes they've been super racist. We nobody's ever been not racist. Both parties to this day are kind of racist but a different length differing levels stop using something that happened in the past to justify what you're doing now. Just because Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. It doesn't mean you're not racist. That's like me saying that no white person is racist because Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. Yeah. The Mississippi freedom Democratic Party was not just about ensuring black people got the vote. It was about fighting exploitation, discrimination against anyone. humor and others from the party traveled to the Democratic National Convention in 1964. To stand as their official delegation for Mississippi and heymer was there speaker, they were there to fight for seats in the Democratic National Convention, basically saying that they need to make sure that every Democratic Party is involved there somehow, her speech was interrupted by President Lyndon B. Johnson on purpose. He had a plan to speech at the same time that news stations had to cut to instead of letting her speak,
that's that son of a bitch. The goddamn Texan.
Here's the thing. her speech was so good that the news station still picked it up and played it later that day. Part of it was all of this is on account. We want to register to become first class citizens and if the freedom Democratic Party is not seated now, I question America. Is this America the land of the free and home of the brave, where we have to sleep with our telephones off the hooks? Because we, because our lives are threatened daily, because we want to live as decent human beings basically saying, by not letting us have a say in this country you are allowing us to be have our lives threatened every day just for wanting to be cool. And the news stations were smart enough to realize that this was the real news story, not Johnson talking to a group of like 30 days. Well, Senator Herbert Humphrey tried to propose a compromise that would give them two seats leading to a reformed convention 1968 but they told him to fuck off. The Mississippi delegates members walked out that's the white lines. And the Mississippi freedom Democratic Party was in fact seated in 1968, after the Democratic Party adopted a clause requiring equality of representative representation from states delegations and a 1972 him or became a delegate. Yay, rewinding a bit to 1974 which is the year that she went to that candidate. convention she actually ran for Senate. She didn't win. So she continued her work in other areas. She was a major leader of headstart, which is still around today. But back then it was a grassroots organization. She also was involved with Martin Luther King's Poor People's Campaign. She fought for equality, regardless of where one was in society, whether you were in a city or you're an agricultural area, especially focusing on agriculture, because sharecropping still very much existed. Didn't matter how long or how hard you worked, you were kept in one place. So she tried to work really hard to help black people and other poor groups, get their own land, get their own supplies and become independent of their not owners, for sure,
their air quotes landlords.
In 1969, she pioneered the freedom farm cooperative, which helped to redistribute that power, and I'm running long already, so I'm going to give just a very vague description. She helped get meat for people who couldn't afford it. She found ways to get livestock and land people who didn't previously have it and work to create affordable housing and entrepreneurial opportunities for those who did not have access. That was about summing up four paragraphs on Wikipedia. All of these have names. It's fascinating who Wikipedia pages one of the longest ones I've ever read. And we never learned about her. Wow. In 1967. She published her autobiography to praise our bridges. It's probably at the library. In 1971, she co founded the National Women's political caucus, which I believe is still around. I didn't really check, arguing that women could be the majority of voters if women of all ethnicities voted, saying a white mother is no different from a black mother. The only thing is they haven't had as many problems but we cry the same tears. I like the quote. Because of her family's poverty. She never got to finish school but people started to realize that she was really really smart. So she got a doctor of law from Shawnee University and honorary degrees from Columbia College Chicago in 1970. And another one from Howard University in 1972. In 1970, rule Ville which is where she lived, rule Ville Central High School, Mississippi held Fannie Lou Hamer day with the whole town celebrating in 1976. She's still alive at this point. Despite being total badass though, we can't forget the trauma that she went through and she was forcibly given her a hysterectomy hysterectomy. She was beaten into permanent kidney damage she was sexually assaulted. She was shot at at least 16 times. She was threatened with murder. God knows how many times so in 1971 she went was hospitalized for nervous exhaustion for several months 1974 she had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized again. Later that year already in very poor health. She was diagnosed she was later diagnosed with breast cancer 1976 and died of hypertension and breast cancer in 1977. At the age of 59. Basically all of this caught up with her her body got tired because of what was done to her now it was done by her people just blamed her for it. And she is credited with coining the phrase I am sick and tired of being sick and tired. It is on her gravestone. One of her protegees Andrew Young had grown up to be the United States Ambassador to the United Nations remember she had been a Fighting with her only like 10 years before this and now he is the ambassador to the United Nations. And he was the Speaker of the funeral saying none of us would be where we are now if she had not been there then that same year, Gil Scott Heron and Brian Jackson wrote 95 South all of the places we've been in her honor, we obviously can't play that on the podcast because it is not in public domain, but you should go listen to it. That's what I interrupted your show with when I was trying to listen to it. Okay. And then things kind of stopped until 1995 when rule Ville post office was renamed the Fannie Lou Hamer, Fannie Lou Hamer post office by an act of Congress. The Fannie Lou Hamer Institute on citizenship and democracy was founded in 97 later merged with the Council of federated organizations on civil rights education complex at Jackson State University, which created the family Fannie Lou Hamer Institute, which includes a research library and outreach programs, a lot of education happening. The original one was also about education regarding civil rights. Jackson also has the Fannie Lou Hamer Public Library and she is depicted on the Buffalo, New York freedom wall. They're going to other songs and books written about her. And there are several other educational locations named after her. The third annual women's march in 2019. And Atlantic City was dedicated to her. And despite the state of emergency due to a snowstorm, a lot of students from the Fannie Lou Hamer freedom High School went anyway, actually got a little emotional writing. So let me let me collect myself before I read this last thing. So when talking about all of this, she said, I guess if I'd had any sense, I'd have been a little scared. But what was the point of being scared? The only thing they could do was kill me. And it kind of seemed like they'd been trying to do that a little at a time since I could remember. So she was the biggest badass and we never heard a single word about her in school. No, we heard about john lewis, Martin Luther King. JFK. Can you hear my question? Yeah, not saying he didn't do good. stuff just not the point. Yeah, several other men, Rosa Parks the one woman we ever heard about because they barely touched on Ruby Bridges for me and Ruby Bridges was a kid who really did not know what was happening or thing. He's imagine how scary that would be. Especially to a kid who was not like Yes, I'm old enough to volunteer for this. We never heard about her. Will family be on the test? No. Will Freedom Summer beyond the test?
Yes, I hope so. By now. Yeah.
We did learn about the police brutality, the fire hose things. Will her sexual assault beyond the test?
Maybe now I mean, we're living in a post me to world.
We're not in schools, though that take way longer to catch up. You're still learning that you're a bad person. If you have sex. We barely stopped learning that aids can't be passed by five. Although we're not teaching aids anymore. Anyway, it's gone. Yeah. So that is Fannie Lou Hamer who was the biggest badass and deserves to be taught every Every year whether or not it's relevant to the topic you're
learning about agreed. So what did you learn today?
I learned that a fourth of cowboys were black and that's really cool. I really
love it like this like dig like so incredibly romanticized. Like figure of the American West, this thing that we associate with freedom and America, and a quarter of them were black, and I just did not know that until like, this week.
Yeah, there are so many things that we have whitewashed. It's ridiculous. It is absolutely ridiculous. What is the thing you like,
about Fannie Lou Hamer, and how she was just like, unstoppable, unstoppable, like, I was like, if I didn't like a third of the 700 happened to me. I'd have been like, I'd have moved to like the middle of Maine and a cabin and never spoken to anybody again.
Yeah, Austin can attest that I don't get emotional very easily. Like I just thought I learned stuff and I'm like, Okay, this is the facts. But with her I was like this one went through so much to the point where She actually did have a literal breakdown at the end. It's awesome and we never talk about that these people. I kind of doubt Martin Luther King went home every day feeling awesome. I doubt that Rosa Parks never had a nightmare about the things that happened to her but we don't talk about that because we don't want them to seem weak and having a mental trauma response to things is not weakness acknowledging it is strength. Yeah, and so even if I don't know if it was against her will or she volunteer but either way getting treatment for it was exceptionally brave of her especially in the 1970s Yeah, and like she literally had an organ ripped out against her will at some point that's enough to mess anybody up. You imagine of a guy went in for surgery and all of a sudden his testicles were gone.
Oh my god there. There would still be outrage over that.
We don't talk about this happening to women.
Oh no, never
and these women some of them were children that they were doing this to and I remember right I read the one of them was eight, eight like if I remember it, I might be mixing up with something else that I read during all of this but they were doing this to children to like they were singing this is not somebody who procreated there are plenty of them in alive today who were sterilized in their teens and 20s. Because we white people decided that they didn't deserve to
have kids. Yep. And that's not a uniquely American thing. It is not they did that they did that in Sweden around the same time, too. So it's not just us this has been It was like an era of just people, for some unknown reason thought this was a good idea against all logic.
Yeah. So I mean, it got kind of heavy there. But at the end of it for both of us, I think that they're actually like really hopeful stories. Yeah, it's people we should learn about and I'm glad that in our small way we can bring them people like us who never had the opportunity to learn about them. And maybe that's changed and because now do learn about this stuff, and we're just I was never a history teacher. You've never been a history teacher.
I've never even listened to a history teacher.
You've spoken to my history teacher friends, maybe he didn't tell you
they were history teachers first. Maybe know if you'll if you'll review the tapes. You'll notice that everything I did I did via pantomime.
Whatever I taught my history units awesome. Stop listening to me for two weeks. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I think these are like, these are stories that people who defied everything that was going against them and made the world in some way better. Like, I don't think the civil rights movement would have had any of the successes that has not to say that things don't need to improve. They absolutely do. But I don't think they would have succeeded as much as they did without Fannie Lou and the other women and other people who were involved with this that we forget about. Martin Luther King did not do this alone. john lewis and Martin Luther King weren't a buddy comedy. It was a whole group of people that got even john lewis wants to make sure people know that
So do we have power this week?
probably didn't that we didn't as at the same time, it's
like I don't mind like brushed up against genocide a little bit.
Yeah, mine didn't have genocide. So much as eugenics.
Yeah, so I guess.
So if you're playing along at home, kids finish that whole drink because We just got into genocide.
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Go have a strong bones. Unless you're lactose intolerant, then have a cool glass of water because it's important. Stay hydrated.
Unless you get near the kind of life isn't that only makes you gassy? If you have a younger brother or sister drink that milk and then go into their room when they're asleep. Close the door. Let them rip and run.
Yeah. We're both older. older siblings. Not that I've ever done that to my actually, um, I think she listened to this. So dearest sister, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I ever Oh boy.
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